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00:00:01 --> 00:00:03 Thank you for coming back from our replay reviews.
00:00:03 --> 00:00:06 My name is Leah. And my name is Kathy. We are
00:00:06 --> 00:00:08 two friends who are here to replay, review, and
00:00:08 --> 00:00:11 analyze your favorite video games. And since
00:00:11 --> 00:00:13 Kathy has never seen the games before, it helps
00:00:13 --> 00:00:15 me view them through her fresh eyes, almost like
00:00:15 --> 00:00:17 I'm discovering them again for the first time.
00:00:17 --> 00:00:19 We hope it will be a similar experience for you.
00:00:26 --> 00:00:28 Anything you want to say before we get started?
00:00:29 --> 00:00:31 I mean... I have a lot of thoughts. I don't know
00:00:31 --> 00:00:34 if I want to get into it quite. But yeah, if
00:00:34 --> 00:00:37 I start, I won't know how to stop. Let's start
00:00:37 --> 00:00:39 with some burning questions then because I think
00:00:39 --> 00:00:42 they'll be pretty short. My only burning question
00:00:42 --> 00:00:47 was from episode three when the train, as John,
00:00:47 --> 00:00:49 we had to go stop the train before it crossed
00:00:49 --> 00:00:51 the bridge. And then the bridge blew up. And
00:00:51 --> 00:00:54 we're like, who blew up the bridge? So I went
00:00:54 --> 00:00:57 back and rewatched that. What we know is there
00:00:57 --> 00:01:01 are no supplies on the train. And we know that
00:01:01 --> 00:01:03 DeSanta asked John to stop the train after the
00:01:03 --> 00:01:06 rebels steal it before it crosses the bridge.
00:01:07 --> 00:01:10 If the rebels stole it, they either think there's
00:01:10 --> 00:01:13 supplies on it so they wouldn't want to blow
00:01:13 --> 00:01:18 it up, right? Or they're mad at the army because
00:01:18 --> 00:01:20 there's no supplies and they're just blowing
00:01:20 --> 00:01:23 it up out of spite. Which is kind of the only
00:01:23 --> 00:01:25 answer I have because I don't think that the
00:01:25 --> 00:01:28 army would explode it. Because why would they?
00:01:29 --> 00:01:31 DeSanto wouldn't need to ask him to stop it before
00:01:31 --> 00:01:32 it crosses the bridge because he would know it's
00:01:32 --> 00:01:35 never going to cross the bridge. So I don't know.
00:01:35 --> 00:01:37 I think it must have been the rebels, but I just,
00:01:38 --> 00:01:40 I don't know. They don't care if they lose weapons
00:01:40 --> 00:01:44 or equipment over it. It's a, if I die, I'm taking
00:01:44 --> 00:01:47 you with me kind of situation. So might as well,
00:01:47 --> 00:01:50 we both don't have that. Still no, no solid answer,
00:01:51 --> 00:01:56 but that's my solution. My burning question ties
00:01:56 --> 00:02:00 into this entire conversation about at what point
00:02:00 --> 00:02:03 do you think he gets redeemed? What is redemption?
00:02:03 --> 00:02:05 Where does it start? Where does it stop? And
00:02:05 --> 00:02:07 that kind of ties along with the question of
00:02:07 --> 00:02:11 why Red Dead Redemption? Why is this name called
00:02:11 --> 00:02:14 Redemption? Redemption I get, but Red Dead? What
00:02:14 --> 00:02:16 does that mean? I think you're going to be a
00:02:16 --> 00:02:20 little disappointed. Just because there was an
00:02:20 --> 00:02:24 older game called Red Dead Revolver. I have not
00:02:24 --> 00:02:26 played it. It's not, I don't think, really directly
00:02:26 --> 00:02:29 tied to the rest of the games, but that's where
00:02:29 --> 00:02:34 they pulled Red Dead from. Oh, okay. Well, should
00:02:34 --> 00:02:36 we just put the burning questions to bed then?
00:02:36 --> 00:02:39 Yeah. Until we get to your bigger one? Mm -hmm.
00:02:40 --> 00:02:43 Okay. Ending reactions, which just at this point,
00:02:43 --> 00:02:46 immediate reactions. So for this one, since I've
00:02:46 --> 00:02:48 obviously seen it a few times, I'm more going
00:02:48 --> 00:02:49 to build off of what your immediate reactions
00:02:49 --> 00:02:54 were. I felt so caught off guard because I thought
00:02:54 --> 00:02:56 John was going to be the main character in game
00:02:56 --> 00:02:59 two. I knew there was a game two. I thought he
00:02:59 --> 00:03:01 was going to continue. So when he dies, I was
00:03:01 --> 00:03:04 like, but what about game two? My next reaction
00:03:04 --> 00:03:07 was, I can't believe after all that running around,
00:03:08 --> 00:03:10 just trying to seek redemption. That's how it
00:03:10 --> 00:03:13 ends. Maybe the redemption part is more of an
00:03:13 --> 00:03:16 internal thing that John and Abigail, from their
00:03:16 --> 00:03:19 point of view, he was redeemed. That's good.
00:03:20 --> 00:03:22 But I have mixed feelings because the takeaway
00:03:22 --> 00:03:25 message I'm sensing is that you can only get
00:03:25 --> 00:03:30 redemption if you die. And there's a lot of issues
00:03:30 --> 00:03:35 with that. I get Jon needing to die is great
00:03:35 --> 00:03:37 for the plot. It's great for the reactions and
00:03:37 --> 00:03:40 the motions in this game. But I don't know what
00:03:40 --> 00:03:43 kind of message that sends. I think I mentioned
00:03:43 --> 00:03:46 it at the end of part five, but it is a notorious
00:03:46 --> 00:03:49 ending. I think it's one of the only ones that
00:03:49 --> 00:03:53 so ruthlessly kills off its main character. So
00:03:53 --> 00:03:55 I understand where you're coming from. And this
00:03:55 --> 00:03:57 is why I wanted to do immediate reactions and
00:03:57 --> 00:04:01 then afterthoughts after we cover our other topics.
00:04:01 --> 00:04:06 Because this game is a lot deeper than it seems
00:04:06 --> 00:04:11 immediately. So, I mean, should we just build
00:04:11 --> 00:04:13 that into our second topic, which is Jon's death?
00:04:13 --> 00:04:16 Yeah. And you had a question and I had a question.
00:04:17 --> 00:04:20 Do you want to do your question first? Yes. So
00:04:20 --> 00:04:23 topic two is John's death. And my question is,
00:04:23 --> 00:04:25 was it necessary? And how would the plot have
00:04:25 --> 00:04:29 changed if he lived? I honestly think it depends
00:04:29 --> 00:04:31 on what the message this game is trying to send.
00:04:31 --> 00:04:36 So I think if the game was about you can never
00:04:36 --> 00:04:38 redeem yourself from a path of crime, or if the
00:04:38 --> 00:04:40 theme was you can only redeem yourself through
00:04:40 --> 00:04:43 death, then of course he needed to die. That
00:04:43 --> 00:04:46 way John has that full circle of he did wrong.
00:04:46 --> 00:04:49 He redeemed himself and he needed to die for
00:04:49 --> 00:04:52 it. But if there is a chance for redemption without
00:04:52 --> 00:04:55 needing death, then no, they shouldn't have killed
00:04:55 --> 00:04:57 John. What the plot would have been afterward
00:04:57 --> 00:05:01 would be like, okay, he lives a full life. It
00:05:01 --> 00:05:03 would have been a really nice, sweet ending just
00:05:03 --> 00:05:07 to end the game. I get it. I think it's less
00:05:07 --> 00:05:10 that you have to die and more that you're willing
00:05:10 --> 00:05:15 to die. It sort of just signifies. you kind of
00:05:15 --> 00:05:18 have to admit what you did and accept punishment
00:05:18 --> 00:05:21 for it. Do I 100 % agree with the way that it
00:05:21 --> 00:05:25 happened? No. But it leads me into my John's
00:05:25 --> 00:05:28 death question, which is, does he know the only
00:05:28 --> 00:05:31 freedom for his family is his death? And that's
00:05:31 --> 00:05:34 why my answer to your question, was his death
00:05:34 --> 00:05:38 necessary, is yes. I don't know if I said that
00:05:38 --> 00:05:41 structurally sound, but... It makes sense what
00:05:41 --> 00:05:43 you're saying. I have some opinions about it,
00:05:43 --> 00:05:47 but let's hear your. Yeah, I do believe that
00:05:47 --> 00:05:51 John comes to this realization that his death
00:05:51 --> 00:05:53 is sort of the only way for his family to be
00:05:53 --> 00:05:56 free. I do think that he had thoughts in the
00:05:56 --> 00:05:59 back of his head that he's just sort of choosing
00:05:59 --> 00:06:02 to ignore. And so when the army arrives, he finally
00:06:02 --> 00:06:05 has to address these thoughts. And he comes to
00:06:05 --> 00:06:07 the full realization that they won't quit until
00:06:07 --> 00:06:13 they have John. So, yes, I firmly say that John's
00:06:13 --> 00:06:16 death is necessary because it proves that he
00:06:16 --> 00:06:19 has completed his redemption arc. He saved his
00:06:19 --> 00:06:22 family the only way he can, by sacrificing himself
00:06:22 --> 00:06:25 to the government to ensure they never come back,
00:06:25 --> 00:06:28 shooting at his family, never kidnap them again.
00:06:28 --> 00:06:31 And devil's advocate time, because I know you
00:06:31 --> 00:06:33 might ask this, but yeah, he could have left
00:06:33 --> 00:06:36 out the back of the barn, right? And ran away
00:06:36 --> 00:06:38 with them, or even ran away on their own to,
00:06:38 --> 00:06:41 you know. stay separate, try to keep him safe
00:06:41 --> 00:06:43 that way. But I don't think that they ever would
00:06:43 --> 00:06:46 have been safe with him alive at all. From what
00:06:46 --> 00:06:49 we've seen and heard in this game, Ross would
00:06:49 --> 00:06:53 use them to get to John. And by instead staying
00:06:53 --> 00:06:56 and facing his death, he ensures freedom for
00:06:56 --> 00:07:00 his family. His redemption is in his death. So
00:07:00 --> 00:07:03 is Abigail's, thanks to his sacrifice. And the
00:07:03 --> 00:07:05 line that ties this all together for me is when
00:07:05 --> 00:07:08 he says, people don't forget, nothing gets forgiven.
00:07:09 --> 00:07:11 So I think he knew the whole time, but he was
00:07:11 --> 00:07:14 just keeping it together for the sake of his
00:07:14 --> 00:07:18 family. I like that line. But then a quick question
00:07:18 --> 00:07:21 to answer is that from the moment John gets back
00:07:21 --> 00:07:23 to his range, do you think he was always waiting
00:07:23 --> 00:07:25 for the other shoe to drop that he was going
00:07:25 --> 00:07:29 to die? Yeah, I think he is. But it's like he's
00:07:29 --> 00:07:31 pushing it to the back of his mind. Okay. So
00:07:31 --> 00:07:34 he's choosing to ignore it. When I was first
00:07:34 --> 00:07:36 working on this question and thinking through
00:07:36 --> 00:07:39 it. My thought was that up until the point where
00:07:39 --> 00:07:44 Uncle dies, I think John knew that he may have
00:07:44 --> 00:07:47 like fully redeemed himself and he's safe because
00:07:47 --> 00:07:51 he continues to live there with Jack and Abigail
00:07:51 --> 00:07:56 and Uncle. And my opinion is that if I was always
00:07:56 --> 00:07:58 waiting for the other shoe to drop. I'd rather
00:07:58 --> 00:08:00 make it difficult for them to track me down and
00:08:00 --> 00:08:03 always be slightly in the running. I would have
00:08:03 --> 00:08:05 just picked up my family and moved. I wouldn't
00:08:05 --> 00:08:07 stay at that ranch. They knew where he lived.
00:08:07 --> 00:08:10 The other thing is, Abigail and Jack aren't guaranteed
00:08:10 --> 00:08:13 to stay alive. They could have killed John and
00:08:13 --> 00:08:15 then immediately went to kill Abigail and Jack.
00:08:15 --> 00:08:18 And John wouldn't have been able to do anything
00:08:18 --> 00:08:21 about it. So, by staying there, I thought John
00:08:21 --> 00:08:25 thought he was safe. I think it's at the moment
00:08:25 --> 00:08:28 when Uncle dies that he realizes, okay, I can't
00:08:28 --> 00:08:30 run from fate anymore. They're going to kill
00:08:30 --> 00:08:33 me. The one thing that we know he wants, right,
00:08:33 --> 00:08:37 is a normal life for Jack especially, but for
00:08:37 --> 00:08:41 his family. And so moving them around sort of
00:08:41 --> 00:08:44 defeats that. You're sort of admitting defeat
00:08:44 --> 00:08:47 to that dream. And he also knows that they chased
00:08:47 --> 00:08:50 people all the way into Mexico. So I think he
00:08:50 --> 00:08:53 knows running away is not... going to be a permanent
00:08:53 --> 00:08:57 solution so he'd rather just have as much time
00:08:57 --> 00:09:01 as he can giving his family a normal life i could
00:09:01 --> 00:09:04 see that but a part of me wishes that he took
00:09:04 --> 00:09:06 matters in his own hand instead of waiting for
00:09:06 --> 00:09:09 the other shoe to drop that's why his character
00:09:09 --> 00:09:13 is so tragic because he's trying to change but
00:09:13 --> 00:09:15 maybe if he didn't change he would have more
00:09:15 --> 00:09:18 of a fighting chance but then then you're not
00:09:18 --> 00:09:20 changing so it's kind of you know catch 22 and
00:09:20 --> 00:09:23 that's why it's so tragic It's really similar
00:09:23 --> 00:09:26 to the freedom part, but I guess what point do
00:09:26 --> 00:09:29 you think that John Foley redeems himself? Is
00:09:29 --> 00:09:33 it as soon as the moment that he kills Dutch
00:09:33 --> 00:09:36 and he's kind of like released by Ross? Or do
00:09:36 --> 00:09:39 you think it's the moment when he earns his freedom
00:09:39 --> 00:09:42 that his redemption arc is finally completed?
00:09:43 --> 00:09:46 I think it's when he accepts his fate. When he
00:09:46 --> 00:09:48 doesn't run away at the barn and decides to face
00:09:48 --> 00:09:52 them instead. It angers a lot of people. It angered
00:09:52 --> 00:09:55 me the first time because I'm like, just run
00:09:55 --> 00:09:58 away, John, please. And I still hate it, but
00:09:58 --> 00:10:01 I love it at the same time because if he ran
00:10:01 --> 00:10:05 away or if he did anything to try to stop them,
00:10:05 --> 00:10:09 that's him sliding back into the outlaw life.
00:10:09 --> 00:10:12 And so him rejecting that even at the cost of
00:10:12 --> 00:10:17 his own life is his redemption. For me, it's
00:10:17 --> 00:10:19 the moment when he gets back home. In a way,
00:10:19 --> 00:10:21 because that's when he starts his false sense
00:10:21 --> 00:10:24 of hope that he's going to make it. There's nothing
00:10:24 --> 00:10:26 more I can do. There's nothing more I can fully
00:10:26 --> 00:10:28 redeem himself because I still don't feel like
00:10:28 --> 00:10:33 redemption and freedom is. And the fact that
00:10:33 --> 00:10:38 he dies, it's still a bit murky for me. And I
00:10:38 --> 00:10:40 don't even think freedom comes into the equation,
00:10:40 --> 00:10:43 at least for him. It's freedom for his family,
00:10:43 --> 00:10:46 I guess. Why does he think that they're going
00:10:46 --> 00:10:48 to uphold their promise of not harming or their
00:10:48 --> 00:10:51 morals of not harming his wife and child? I would
00:10:51 --> 00:10:54 be worried that both Abigail and Jack are going
00:10:54 --> 00:10:57 to die too with me. Ross is after medals and
00:10:57 --> 00:10:59 accolades and John's going to get him that. Is
00:10:59 --> 00:11:02 killing a wife and child going to get them that?
00:11:02 --> 00:11:05 Probably not. I don't necessarily think that
00:11:05 --> 00:11:08 Ross kills for the enjoyment of killing. I think
00:11:08 --> 00:11:12 he kills when there's an excuse to kill. And
00:11:12 --> 00:11:14 I don't think that he's being given an excuse
00:11:14 --> 00:11:17 to kill Abigail and Jack, but I don't think he'd
00:11:17 --> 00:11:19 care if they got caught in the crossfire either.
00:11:20 --> 00:11:24 Yeah. I guess that's all I had for topic two.
00:11:24 --> 00:11:28 Big topic here for number three. Strange man
00:11:28 --> 00:11:31 theories. There's a lot going on. I have a lot
00:11:31 --> 00:11:33 of questions. How does he know so much about
00:11:33 --> 00:11:36 John? Why doesn't he reveal who he is? How does
00:11:36 --> 00:11:39 he not die? How is he commuting from place to
00:11:39 --> 00:11:41 place? Why is he dressed like that? There's a
00:11:41 --> 00:11:45 lot of questions. But overall, I have two theories.
00:11:45 --> 00:11:48 First, and this is one where I'm more leaning
00:11:48 --> 00:11:51 towards this idea of the strange man being a
00:11:51 --> 00:11:54 Grim Reaper. First interaction, he says he wished
00:11:54 --> 00:11:57 he knew more about life. And maybe he only wished
00:11:57 --> 00:12:00 he knew more about life as he only knows about.
00:12:00 --> 00:12:04 the afterlife and and death and the last interaction
00:12:04 --> 00:12:06 that we have with the strange man he also mentions
00:12:06 --> 00:12:09 he's like an accountant in a way and i thought
00:12:09 --> 00:12:11 of this as like the grim reaper having a lot
00:12:11 --> 00:12:16 of cases like accounts the way i see it is that
00:12:16 --> 00:12:18 when he gives john a choice this is going to
00:12:18 --> 00:12:22 impact what happens to john in the afterlife
00:12:22 --> 00:12:25 and it makes sense why when john shoots at him
00:12:25 --> 00:12:29 he doesn't die So that's my first theory. So
00:12:29 --> 00:12:30 I don't know if you want to react to it before
00:12:30 --> 00:12:35 I go into my second theory. No, we'll have some
00:12:35 --> 00:12:38 crossover. Okay. Yeah. Okay. And then my second
00:12:38 --> 00:12:41 theory is that it is part of John's subconscious
00:12:41 --> 00:12:45 and it's his imagination. So the strange man
00:12:45 --> 00:12:48 knows so much about John and it's because he
00:12:48 --> 00:12:51 is John. He's a part of John's imagination. And
00:12:51 --> 00:12:54 this stems from so much PTSD. Like the first
00:12:54 --> 00:12:56 interaction where he talks about, do you remember
00:12:56 --> 00:12:59 this person? And John's like, no. And the fact
00:12:59 --> 00:13:01 that the girl's eyeball pops out, that's pretty
00:13:01 --> 00:13:05 gruesome. And so it's John's PTSD that's probably
00:13:05 --> 00:13:08 pushing that memory into something he can't remember.
00:13:08 --> 00:13:11 But the strange man knows because he is John.
00:13:12 --> 00:13:15 And then the next part, too, is that in the second
00:13:15 --> 00:13:17 interaction, the strange man says he has a boy.
00:13:17 --> 00:13:21 And maybe that's Jack, that John has a boy, too.
00:13:21 --> 00:13:24 And that's because they're the same person. And
00:13:24 --> 00:13:27 he also doesn't die because he is John's imagination.
00:13:28 --> 00:13:31 It's his subconscious speaking. So he can't die.
00:13:32 --> 00:13:35 The first encounter, as John's walking up, we
00:13:35 --> 00:13:37 hear him saying in the distance, Oh, I've been
00:13:37 --> 00:13:40 waiting for you. So this indicates he is specifically
00:13:40 --> 00:13:43 seeking out John. This is not a chance encounter.
00:13:44 --> 00:13:46 And he also knows his name before he even sees
00:13:46 --> 00:13:51 John. So he knows who he is. Just based on sensing
00:13:51 --> 00:13:53 it, I don't know. And then you talked about the
00:13:53 --> 00:13:57 Heidi McCourt exchange. And I said, when he says,
00:13:57 --> 00:14:01 do you remember Heidi McCourt's face? He's challenging
00:14:01 --> 00:14:03 John to remember his darker past because John
00:14:03 --> 00:14:05 just said, I'm pretty good at remembering faces.
00:14:06 --> 00:14:08 So he's like, are you? Well, do you remember
00:14:08 --> 00:14:12 this one? This is the first time that I've considered,
00:14:12 --> 00:14:16 what if he's not being honest when he says not
00:14:16 --> 00:14:19 really? Does he really not remember who she is?
00:14:19 --> 00:14:22 Or is he frightened of what this man would or
00:14:22 --> 00:14:25 could do if he admits the truth that he does
00:14:25 --> 00:14:28 remember? Because that would implicate him, right?
00:14:28 --> 00:14:30 And we don't know who this guy is. He could be
00:14:30 --> 00:14:34 some federal agent trying to get to John because
00:14:34 --> 00:14:36 he obviously knows a lot about John and the gang.
00:14:36 --> 00:14:39 Yeah, maybe that's actually pretty good. Maybe
00:14:39 --> 00:14:43 John is lying. And the biggest part is I don't
00:14:43 --> 00:14:46 think that he'd forget that, you know? I wouldn't.
00:14:46 --> 00:14:47 Based on what we know about him, right? But it
00:14:47 --> 00:14:51 could be his PTSD just pushing into the back
00:14:51 --> 00:14:54 of his mind. John says, what do you think I am?
00:14:54 --> 00:14:56 He says, I know what you are, John. So he knows
00:14:56 --> 00:14:58 what he is, but I think he's giving him tests
00:14:58 --> 00:15:02 to determine who he is. If we jump ahead to the
00:15:02 --> 00:15:05 second encounter, just for a second, when John
00:15:05 --> 00:15:08 walks away from that encounter, he says, hurry
00:15:08 --> 00:15:10 up, John, or are you not the man I thought you
00:15:10 --> 00:15:14 were? So it seems like he is still trying to
00:15:14 --> 00:15:17 determine maybe John's morality. I think he's
00:15:17 --> 00:15:19 likely doing this, giving John these tests, because
00:15:19 --> 00:15:22 he knows that John had bad guidance growing up.
00:15:22 --> 00:15:25 And that ties into him saying, I wish I'd known
00:15:25 --> 00:15:28 more about life. He knows John did bad things,
00:15:28 --> 00:15:30 but now he's trying to make up for them. So he
00:15:30 --> 00:15:34 has enough good in him to warrant these tests
00:15:34 --> 00:15:37 slash second chances to determine, is he good
00:15:37 --> 00:15:41 or is he bad? It leaves me feeling like the strange
00:15:41 --> 00:15:44 man could be an angel sent to test John or the
00:15:44 --> 00:15:47 Grim Reaper, like you said. Basically, he would
00:15:47 --> 00:15:49 be trying to determine slash account for which
00:15:49 --> 00:15:52 side John should fall on due to him having two
00:15:52 --> 00:15:55 distinctly different lives. Okay, so we're on
00:15:55 --> 00:15:58 to the second meeting and we're in Nuevo Pariso.
00:15:59 --> 00:16:01 And in the first encounter, he was standing at
00:16:01 --> 00:16:05 the river looking to Mexico. He's planning out
00:16:05 --> 00:16:07 in this moment, where am I going to run into
00:16:07 --> 00:16:10 John next? So I think that this person can see
00:16:10 --> 00:16:14 the future. Okay, and then the line where he
00:16:14 --> 00:16:16 says, I admire you, John. I hope my boy turns
00:16:16 --> 00:16:19 out just like you. This is the one that gives
00:16:19 --> 00:16:22 me the biggest pause on any of my theories. This
00:16:22 --> 00:16:25 line makes me wonder if he's a man from John's
00:16:25 --> 00:16:28 past, maybe like the spirit of a man from John's
00:16:28 --> 00:16:31 past. But I think, again, that John would recognize
00:16:31 --> 00:16:34 him. Another thing that makes me question...
00:16:35 --> 00:16:38 is it just like someone from his past even if
00:16:38 --> 00:16:41 they're dead and it's just a spirit is when jack
00:16:41 --> 00:16:44 finds edgar ross at the end of the game and ross
00:16:44 --> 00:16:48 says to jack do i know you that to me like it
00:16:48 --> 00:16:51 could be a hint that like this guy could be someone
00:16:51 --> 00:16:55 from john's past that was impactful it's a stretch
00:16:55 --> 00:16:58 i think but i also feel like the do i know you
00:16:58 --> 00:17:01 from ross is sort of purposeful in a way but
00:17:01 --> 00:17:04 maybe the tie -in is that Ross saying, do I know
00:17:04 --> 00:17:07 you? Because we know the strange man gives John
00:17:07 --> 00:17:09 tasks, right? You can do the good thing or the
00:17:09 --> 00:17:12 bad thing. So maybe this is just a reference
00:17:12 --> 00:17:15 to that because Jack now has to decide, am I
00:17:15 --> 00:17:18 going to kill this man or let him live? So maybe
00:17:18 --> 00:17:20 that's what it is. I kind of think that's what
00:17:20 --> 00:17:23 it is. That phrase is a pretty common phrase.
00:17:24 --> 00:17:27 At the same time, for the writers to have so
00:17:27 --> 00:17:29 many lines to choose from, but they specifically
00:17:29 --> 00:17:32 chose that line. It's too much of a coincidence.
00:17:33 --> 00:17:35 And let me add that the stranger mission is titled,
00:17:36 --> 00:17:38 Do I Know You? So it's not just something the
00:17:38 --> 00:17:41 strange man says. It's the whole title of the
00:17:41 --> 00:17:43 encounters with him. And I don't necessarily
00:17:43 --> 00:17:46 think that Edgar is taking up the reins of the
00:17:46 --> 00:17:48 strange man or anything. I think it's more of
00:17:48 --> 00:17:51 just an Easter egg or a reference to the strange
00:17:51 --> 00:17:54 man to highlight that now Jack is having to make
00:17:54 --> 00:17:59 a moral decision. But it's his knowledge of the
00:17:59 --> 00:18:02 proper authorities that he references when John
00:18:02 --> 00:18:04 says, I'll let the appropriate authorities judge
00:18:04 --> 00:18:07 my morality. And the strange man says, yes, you
00:18:07 --> 00:18:09 will, and they shall. He seems to have knowledge
00:18:09 --> 00:18:12 of these authorities, and that kind of solidifies
00:18:12 --> 00:18:15 for me that this is not a currently living human
00:18:15 --> 00:18:19 or a ghost, but something more spiritual. Again,
00:18:19 --> 00:18:22 he also seems to be going ahead of John to meet
00:18:22 --> 00:18:24 him with a new task that he's prepared for him.
00:18:25 --> 00:18:28 Hearing what you say makes me almost think that
00:18:28 --> 00:18:31 he is fate. Like the strange man determines what
00:18:31 --> 00:18:36 John's future is if he says help the nuns. And
00:18:36 --> 00:18:38 if John doesn't do that, maybe it sets him up
00:18:38 --> 00:18:41 on a different path. I'll tie more into that.
00:18:41 --> 00:18:43 So I'm not going to respond yet. So let's just
00:18:43 --> 00:18:46 go to the third meeting. So this is when John's
00:18:46 --> 00:18:49 like, what are you doing here? And he says, my
00:18:49 --> 00:18:52 accounts, I'm an accountant. He's also indicates
00:18:52 --> 00:18:55 that he's been with John. basically forever,
00:18:55 --> 00:18:58 because he says, I know you're from Mexico, I
00:18:58 --> 00:19:00 know you're from back out west, I know you're
00:19:00 --> 00:19:02 from all over. When John says, tell me your name
00:19:02 --> 00:19:05 or I won't be responsible for my actions, he
00:19:05 --> 00:19:07 responds, oh, but you will, you will be responsible.
00:19:07 --> 00:19:11 This is a fine spot. He is standing at John's
00:19:11 --> 00:19:15 gravesite when he says this. And then the line
00:19:15 --> 00:19:18 that I think gets brought up a lot is when John
00:19:18 --> 00:19:21 says, damn you, and the strange man says, yes,
00:19:21 --> 00:19:25 many have. It just begs you to think of God damn
00:19:25 --> 00:19:28 you, right? Which I get, and I don't necessarily
00:19:28 --> 00:19:30 think it's wrong, but it also feels kind of backwards
00:19:30 --> 00:19:33 because you wouldn't say God damn you to God
00:19:33 --> 00:19:36 if God's doing the damning, right? Unless he's
00:19:36 --> 00:19:39 not God, he's Hades. I guess, I don't know what
00:19:39 --> 00:19:44 the equivalent of that is. Yeah, he's Hades.
00:19:44 --> 00:19:47 And that's my next question is, so is he the
00:19:47 --> 00:19:50 devil? But then I think, no. Because I don't
00:19:50 --> 00:19:52 think that the devil would be wanting to give
00:19:52 --> 00:19:55 John opportunities to improve himself. Unless
00:19:55 --> 00:19:59 he constantly wants John to do bad. Then he's
00:19:59 --> 00:20:05 saying that mankind is evil. Or it's a neutral
00:20:05 --> 00:20:10 party. Someone between heaven and hell. The strange
00:20:10 --> 00:20:13 man has completed his account of John and knows
00:20:13 --> 00:20:16 his death will be occurring soon. He knows this
00:20:16 --> 00:20:19 spot will be his resting place. He gave Jon missions
00:20:19 --> 00:20:23 to balance the scale of time and action because
00:20:23 --> 00:20:27 Jon's time was cut short. He needed a fair shot
00:20:27 --> 00:20:29 to prove that he's changed before his death.
00:20:30 --> 00:20:33 And if this were the Grim Reaper, I don't see
00:20:33 --> 00:20:36 why he would be involving himself in Jon's morality
00:20:36 --> 00:20:39 as he's supposed to be, you know, according to
00:20:39 --> 00:20:43 the lore, more of a harvester of souls. And that's
00:20:43 --> 00:20:45 sort of where his responsibilities end. So that's
00:20:45 --> 00:20:47 where the groom reaper kind of falls off for
00:20:47 --> 00:20:50 me. My two main theories are kind of what you
00:20:50 --> 00:20:53 were saying of it's something in between, basically.
00:20:54 --> 00:20:56 It's not something from heaven, not something
00:20:56 --> 00:20:59 from hell, but something that determines who
00:20:59 --> 00:21:02 John is. And because he started down a path of
00:21:02 --> 00:21:04 redemption, but they know it'll be cut short,
00:21:04 --> 00:21:06 they're giving him these opportunities to sort
00:21:06 --> 00:21:11 of prove it before time runs out. But there's
00:21:11 --> 00:21:13 a couple things that... sort of tipped the scale
00:21:13 --> 00:21:17 for me towards something more from heaven more
00:21:17 --> 00:21:19 angel related well first of all just symbolism
00:21:19 --> 00:21:22 there's three meetings it's like the holy trinity
00:21:22 --> 00:21:25 right but then also sister calderon may have
00:21:25 --> 00:21:28 given us the answer that's the nun when she says
00:21:28 --> 00:21:31 the lord has brought you to me so you could help
00:21:31 --> 00:21:35 me i'm like did she tell us i thought so but
00:21:35 --> 00:21:38 i also read that as like sisters would say that
00:21:38 --> 00:21:42 no matter what but he did send him to her And
00:21:42 --> 00:21:44 we can surmise that he would know she would say
00:21:44 --> 00:21:49 that because he seems to know the future. Yeah,
00:21:49 --> 00:21:51 I could see that. Don't know if I completely
00:21:51 --> 00:21:54 believe that, but I could see it being like the
00:21:54 --> 00:21:57 writing trying to be clever and saying that.
00:21:57 --> 00:22:00 Yeah. That's it. Why does John shoot at him?
00:22:01 --> 00:22:03 Would he really want to kill this guy or does
00:22:03 --> 00:22:06 he somehow know that he cannot be killed? Because
00:22:06 --> 00:22:08 it seems out of character for John to want to
00:22:08 --> 00:22:11 kill him. That's what I was struggling with was
00:22:11 --> 00:22:15 I think John would only shoot at him if he knows
00:22:15 --> 00:22:19 he can't die and he's frustrated. I agree. So
00:22:19 --> 00:22:22 I think maybe deep down John knows who he is.
00:22:22 --> 00:22:25 Or he knows at least that it's some spiritual
00:22:25 --> 00:22:30 being and not a flesh and blood person. Are we
00:22:30 --> 00:22:35 ready for topic four? Mm -hmm. Basically, afterthoughts
00:22:35 --> 00:22:37 of the game have have our general reactions or
00:22:37 --> 00:22:40 opinions changed. Are there any themes or characters
00:22:40 --> 00:22:44 we want to discuss? The first question I have,
00:22:44 --> 00:22:48 though, more about character wise is Ross. Like,
00:22:48 --> 00:22:51 why didn't Ross just kill John after Dutch died?
00:22:52 --> 00:22:56 Why let him get a taste of freedom only to bring
00:22:56 --> 00:23:01 the army on him? Why spare him? My simple answer.
00:23:03 --> 00:23:06 Oh. Well, we don't know how long John has actually
00:23:06 --> 00:23:09 been back for, which is kind of the piece of
00:23:09 --> 00:23:10 the puzzle we're missing, because it just depends
00:23:10 --> 00:23:14 on how long you put off that mission for. But
00:23:14 --> 00:23:18 my continuity answer would be, yeah, paperwork.
00:23:18 --> 00:23:21 He had to take Dutch in, get all that squared
00:23:21 --> 00:23:24 away, get his medal for that, give an update
00:23:24 --> 00:23:26 on where John is, and then they say, all right,
00:23:26 --> 00:23:30 now it's time to go get John. I don't know how
00:23:30 --> 00:23:31 long that could take. We know bureaucracy is
00:23:31 --> 00:23:35 kind of slow. So maybe that's the simple explanation.
00:23:35 --> 00:23:38 But that's the only one that I got for you. Okay.
00:23:38 --> 00:23:42 Other than him just being cruel. Yeah. My other
00:23:42 --> 00:23:45 question is, what happened to Fordham? I don't
00:23:45 --> 00:23:50 know. Okay. I mean, maybe he just took Ross's
00:23:50 --> 00:23:52 position after he retired. I don't know. I'm
00:23:52 --> 00:23:54 not sure if we ever hear. There's maybe a newspaper
00:23:54 --> 00:23:57 article that would tell us. Okay. I just didn't
00:23:57 --> 00:24:00 know if there's some DLC that talked about it.
00:24:01 --> 00:24:07 Are you searching it up? Yeah. Okay. Oh. He can
00:24:07 --> 00:24:09 be killed in the final mission. I'm not sure.
00:24:09 --> 00:24:14 I might have shot him when John goes guns blazing
00:24:14 --> 00:24:16 out of the barn door. So he could die there.
00:24:16 --> 00:24:20 Okay. And then it says his fate is left unknown
00:24:20 --> 00:24:24 if he survives. What do you think is the takeaway
00:24:24 --> 00:24:28 of the game? like i have three takeaways one
00:24:28 --> 00:24:30 is there's no redemption you can never right
00:24:30 --> 00:24:34 your wrongs two you can try but karma will find
00:24:34 --> 00:24:37 a way or three don't trust people with prosecuting
00:24:37 --> 00:24:41 authority uh my big section in terms of like
00:24:41 --> 00:24:44 themes of the game kind of goes into okay so
00:24:44 --> 00:24:49 i'll i'll respond we'll see if my my theme discussion
00:24:49 --> 00:24:51 sort of answers any of those questions for you
00:24:51 --> 00:24:55 so We see examples of how the same actions done
00:24:55 --> 00:24:58 by different people make the actions either good
00:24:58 --> 00:25:02 or bad. In gameplay part two, when he's talking
00:25:02 --> 00:25:06 with the marshal, they're debating about killing
00:25:06 --> 00:25:09 people and it being wrong. And then John says,
00:25:09 --> 00:25:12 unless it's court ordered, which then makes the
00:25:12 --> 00:25:15 killing acceptable. And then we also have the
00:25:15 --> 00:25:17 women that they save on that mission at Ridgewood
00:25:17 --> 00:25:19 Farm. They're expressing discontent with the
00:25:19 --> 00:25:23 system. And we have Ross admitting his tactics
00:25:23 --> 00:25:26 are unsavory, but he can do what he wants anyway
00:25:26 --> 00:25:29 because of his position. We also have the train
00:25:29 --> 00:25:32 conversation when I think it's Jenny, the younger
00:25:32 --> 00:25:35 woman, says, sometimes I find it impossible to
00:25:35 --> 00:25:37 make the distinction between a loving act and
00:25:37 --> 00:25:40 a hateful one. I mean, they often seem to be
00:25:40 --> 00:25:42 the same thing. So I think with that quote being
00:25:42 --> 00:25:45 so near to the start of the game, it's sort of
00:25:45 --> 00:25:48 setting that question up for us. It's expressing
00:25:48 --> 00:25:50 that there can be little difference between law,
00:25:51 --> 00:25:55 and outlaw. So my big question is, is John right
00:25:55 --> 00:25:58 when he says there's a difference between killing
00:25:58 --> 00:26:02 and murder? On a moral level, I think yes. And
00:26:02 --> 00:26:05 then within the government from this game, I
00:26:05 --> 00:26:07 also think yes. Basically, when they killed justice,
00:26:07 --> 00:26:10 when anyone else kills, it's murder. In some
00:26:10 --> 00:26:13 cases, it's very accurate. You know, Javier,
00:26:13 --> 00:26:16 Bill Dutch, they all get what they deserve, in
00:26:16 --> 00:26:19 my opinion. But the government sees very little
00:26:19 --> 00:26:21 distinction between them and John, the man who's
00:26:21 --> 00:26:24 actually trying to change. I like that because
00:26:24 --> 00:26:28 kind of like, how do I translate this? Like,
00:26:28 --> 00:26:31 beauty is in the eye of the beholder kind of
00:26:31 --> 00:26:34 situation. And if you're not in that justice
00:26:34 --> 00:26:37 system, then you're a murderer. Anything you
00:26:37 --> 00:26:39 do... Then you're an outlaw. You're either in
00:26:39 --> 00:26:41 the law or you're out of the law. Yeah, exactly.
00:26:42 --> 00:26:46 But it can be the same thing. I don't know if
00:26:46 --> 00:26:48 that answered all your questions. Yeah, I think
00:26:48 --> 00:26:52 which summarizes to me the theme is you can be
00:26:52 --> 00:26:56 a good guy doing bad things. I guess the way
00:26:56 --> 00:26:59 I would say it is people do good things and people
00:26:59 --> 00:27:05 do bad things and they're everywhere. So I guess
00:27:05 --> 00:27:08 maybe I'll go into doing more of a breakdown
00:27:08 --> 00:27:11 of Jon's character then now that we're kind of
00:27:11 --> 00:27:14 talking about that. And I struggled with this
00:27:14 --> 00:27:17 a bit. My opinion is that we could have done
00:27:17 --> 00:27:21 a better job about John's character arc. That
00:27:21 --> 00:27:24 I wanted to see more of when we talk about he
00:27:24 --> 00:27:27 may have been a good guy doing bad things. I
00:27:27 --> 00:27:30 wanted to see that example of John doing that
00:27:30 --> 00:27:34 in his role as a gang member when he was around
00:27:34 --> 00:27:36 Desh and Bill. I wanted to know more about what
00:27:36 --> 00:27:39 he was like. It's really hard to do because I
00:27:39 --> 00:27:42 gotta tie it back to... Yakuza with Nishiki's
00:27:42 --> 00:27:45 thing we see him the good of him we see what
00:27:45 --> 00:27:48 pushes him into doing bad and we see him redeeming
00:27:48 --> 00:27:50 himself we see that full line here I feel like
00:27:50 --> 00:27:53 we just get thrown into John and they're telling
00:27:53 --> 00:27:55 us John's a good guy he's trying to redeem himself
00:27:55 --> 00:27:58 but I don't want you to tell me that he's a good
00:27:58 --> 00:28:00 guy I want to see that he's a good guy what he's
00:28:00 --> 00:28:03 redeeming himself from and the unique thing about
00:28:03 --> 00:28:06 his character is that he was brought into the
00:28:06 --> 00:28:10 gang as a child and we don't really know exactly
00:28:10 --> 00:28:12 what he was exposed to and that's what makes
00:28:12 --> 00:28:15 it interesting about his redemption is yeah he
00:28:15 --> 00:28:18 did bad things but at what point is that nature
00:28:18 --> 00:28:22 versus nurture because he was a child when he
00:28:22 --> 00:28:26 joined well with that i only have one more comment
00:28:26 --> 00:28:29 about just the overall afterthoughts about this
00:28:29 --> 00:28:33 game and this is i don't know if this is controversial
00:28:33 --> 00:28:36 but i didn't really like the pacing of this game
00:28:37 --> 00:28:39 We spend so much time in Mexico going in circles,
00:28:39 --> 00:28:42 helping like the rebels, Reyes and DeSanta. By
00:28:42 --> 00:28:46 the time we get to capturing Bill, and that is
00:28:46 --> 00:28:48 the whole purpose of the game in the beginning.
00:28:48 --> 00:28:50 All we wanted to do was capture Bill. It just
00:28:50 --> 00:28:53 was so anticlimactic. Like, okay, great. We did
00:28:53 --> 00:28:56 all that just for three seconds with Bill. I
00:28:56 --> 00:29:00 wanted some like flashback scenes with John and
00:29:00 --> 00:29:03 Bill, that angst between those two. Why is Luisa
00:29:03 --> 00:29:06 getting more screen time than Bill, Dutch, and
00:29:06 --> 00:29:09 Esquire combined together? Yeah, this is definitely
00:29:09 --> 00:29:12 a game that plays better if you do the side content.
00:29:12 --> 00:29:17 Because there's a lot more side content in the
00:29:17 --> 00:29:20 US side than in the Mexico side. So if you're
00:29:20 --> 00:29:22 just blazing through it like we did, it does
00:29:22 --> 00:29:24 feel really imbalanced. And it does feel like
00:29:24 --> 00:29:27 it takes way too long to get to Bill and Javier.
00:29:28 --> 00:29:31 Do I still love the game? Absolutely. I still
00:29:31 --> 00:29:33 have a great time playing it, but it has issues,
00:29:34 --> 00:29:38 you know, of course. I want to talk about Jack.
00:29:38 --> 00:29:42 Oh, okay. This entire game, we hear references
00:29:42 --> 00:29:47 to Jack before we meet him, about his life, the
00:29:47 --> 00:29:50 childhood he had. We know John and Abigail have
00:29:50 --> 00:29:52 been trying for years to right the ship and give
00:29:52 --> 00:29:55 him a normal life. So they may be criminals,
00:29:55 --> 00:29:59 but... They were trying to reform for the sake
00:29:59 --> 00:30:02 of their son so that he could be someone else.
00:30:02 --> 00:30:05 In the end, though, do the government's actions
00:30:05 --> 00:30:09 turn Jack into what John was, the very thing
00:30:09 --> 00:30:13 that the government is trying to destroy? Both
00:30:13 --> 00:30:16 sides, John and the agent sent to punish him,
00:30:16 --> 00:30:19 they want the same thing on a broad level. The
00:30:19 --> 00:30:22 end of the outlaw, right? John approaches it
00:30:22 --> 00:30:25 by reforming and giving Jack a future where he
00:30:25 --> 00:30:27 can contribute to society and not be in danger.
00:30:28 --> 00:30:31 The agents on the other side just want to take
00:30:31 --> 00:30:34 down the remaining outlaws, like John. It's put
00:30:34 --> 00:30:36 as definitive of an end to the outlaw age as
00:30:36 --> 00:30:42 possible. Yet, in doing so, they show Jack that
00:30:42 --> 00:30:45 what we were discussing a minute ago is true.
00:30:45 --> 00:30:47 The same action can be good or bad depending
00:30:47 --> 00:30:50 on who does it. It just depends on your perspective.
00:30:50 --> 00:30:53 And from Jack's perspective, they killed his
00:30:53 --> 00:30:55 father who was trying to make up for his past.
00:30:56 --> 00:30:58 So of course he's going to seek revenge. I like
00:30:58 --> 00:31:01 the way you're going with this because I didn't
00:31:01 --> 00:31:03 even consider this. And it makes sense because
00:31:03 --> 00:31:08 Jack's existence as an outlaw is the whole reason
00:31:08 --> 00:31:12 why we saw the whole rebels in Mexico is where
00:31:12 --> 00:31:16 you have a government organization where it's...
00:31:16 --> 00:31:18 pretty much dictatorship you're going to get
00:31:18 --> 00:31:21 people who push against that and that is what
00:31:21 --> 00:31:24 jack is that is what jack is doing and that's
00:31:24 --> 00:31:27 why i need more jack because this game sets him
00:31:27 --> 00:31:30 up to have to have to make a huge decision right
00:31:30 --> 00:31:34 to be or not to be an outlaw and we see him from
00:31:34 --> 00:31:37 my interpretation starting to lean towards the
00:31:37 --> 00:31:39 way of the outlaw at the end of the game but
00:31:39 --> 00:31:42 i i don't think that he would do so without guilt
00:31:42 --> 00:31:46 so i need more Because we see hints that Jack
00:31:46 --> 00:31:50 is drawn to the allure of the outlaw romanticized.
00:31:50 --> 00:31:53 One quote describing the book he's reading seems
00:31:53 --> 00:31:56 to have a direct impact on his future. He says,
00:31:56 --> 00:31:59 describing the book to John, it's about how this
00:31:59 --> 00:32:02 man, this brave man, hunts the man who killed
00:32:02 --> 00:32:05 his father. So that's exactly what Jack ends
00:32:05 --> 00:32:08 up doing, right? So we see him kind of falling
00:32:08 --> 00:32:11 into the allure of that. On the other hand, we
00:32:11 --> 00:32:13 know that this is... Not the life that John would
00:32:13 --> 00:32:16 want for Jack. He even says, I don't want him
00:32:16 --> 00:32:20 to become a man like me in part three. And how
00:32:20 --> 00:32:23 sad but also kind of cool that Jack essentially
00:32:23 --> 00:32:27 becomes him at the end of the game. I just, I
00:32:27 --> 00:32:30 love the idea that Jack kills Ross. He gets the
00:32:30 --> 00:32:32 revenge and the redemption for his father and
00:32:32 --> 00:32:35 he stops at that. Does not continue on to be
00:32:35 --> 00:32:39 an outlaw, the man John tried and fought so hard
00:32:39 --> 00:32:41 for him to not become. But I also really like
00:32:41 --> 00:32:44 the idea of the government sort of breeding outlaws
00:32:44 --> 00:32:48 based on their actions. Because as Dutch said,
00:32:48 --> 00:32:52 they'll find another monster. They have to. Because
00:32:52 --> 00:32:55 they have to justify their wages. They don't
00:32:55 --> 00:32:58 care if they're breeding outlaws. I don't disagree
00:32:58 --> 00:33:01 with Dutch. I think he has a point. Which makes
00:33:01 --> 00:33:04 it kind of blend into the next topic about who
00:33:04 --> 00:33:06 we think is going to be the main character. I
00:33:06 --> 00:33:08 kind of want to jump into it because it has to
00:33:08 --> 00:33:11 do with Jack. Yeah. it's topic five yeah okay
00:33:11 --> 00:33:16 rdr2 kathy's predictions here we go exactly i
00:33:16 --> 00:33:20 so with everything you said about jack i kind
00:33:20 --> 00:33:22 of like the idea of it jack immediately stops
00:33:22 --> 00:33:26 there i feel like it's only right for it to be
00:33:26 --> 00:33:30 jack i can also see that because he already fulfilled
00:33:30 --> 00:33:33 his revenge there's no need for him to continue
00:33:33 --> 00:33:35 this way i would love to see him like settle
00:33:35 --> 00:33:37 down range life be happy and not be involved
00:33:37 --> 00:33:41 but It's either that or it's a completely new
00:33:41 --> 00:33:44 plot, new location, new stuff, new characters.
00:33:45 --> 00:33:48 Maybe we'll get some cameos from old people like
00:33:48 --> 00:33:54 Bonnie or the sheriff or the strange man. It's
00:33:54 --> 00:33:57 either A, it's Jack or B, new character, new
00:33:57 --> 00:34:00 plot, which I'm cheating because I'm doing both.
00:34:00 --> 00:34:05 Yeah. I mean, the Jack options, I love and hate
00:34:05 --> 00:34:08 both of them because. There's something so satisfying
00:34:08 --> 00:34:11 about him being like, you betrayed my father.
00:34:11 --> 00:34:15 I'm going to betray you and be an outlaw. And
00:34:15 --> 00:34:17 just kind of what we wanted John to do at times,
00:34:17 --> 00:34:23 just let loose. But it also really sullies John's
00:34:23 --> 00:34:27 memory and makes his death feel like fall flat
00:34:27 --> 00:34:32 and feel pointless. But that's why a sequel with
00:34:32 --> 00:34:34 him as the protagonist would be so compelling
00:34:34 --> 00:34:37 because we'd see him, like that's the big choice
00:34:37 --> 00:34:41 of the game is, do I be an outlaw or do I not
00:34:41 --> 00:34:43 be an outlaw? And we see him struggle with both
00:34:43 --> 00:34:47 sides of that. As far as it being something completely
00:34:47 --> 00:34:49 different. I mean, these are the questions that
00:34:49 --> 00:34:52 we were all asking, Kathy. How long did you guys
00:34:52 --> 00:34:56 have to guess for? Eight years. Are you going
00:34:56 --> 00:35:01 to tell me right now? I'm debating on if we should
00:35:01 --> 00:35:03 watch the trailer or not. I'm kind of open to
00:35:03 --> 00:35:08 that. I cannot tell you how many times I watched
00:35:08 --> 00:35:12 this trailer. People were like scouring every
00:35:12 --> 00:35:14 millisecond. People were analyzing the hat shapes,
00:35:15 --> 00:35:17 trying to match them to characters we know. It
00:35:17 --> 00:35:20 was nuts. So yeah, we'll watch the announcement
00:35:20 --> 00:35:22 trailer because it doesn't give away any of these
00:35:22 --> 00:35:24 questions you're asking. And I want you to be
00:35:24 --> 00:35:26 surprised when we start the game. Because I'm
00:35:26 --> 00:36:29 going to need your reactions when we start. I
00:36:29 --> 00:36:33 mean, gives you almost nothing, right? But wait,
00:36:34 --> 00:36:36 didn't wasn't John saying that when the time
00:36:36 --> 00:36:39 comes, you have to run? Yes, I had. Let me pull
00:36:39 --> 00:36:43 it up. I'm so glad you noticed that. I mean,
00:36:43 --> 00:36:45 preparing for this, I was going through stuff
00:36:45 --> 00:36:48 and I'm pretty sure he said that to Jack to tell
00:36:48 --> 00:36:51 him to take Abigail away. Yep. It's a different
00:36:51 --> 00:36:55 voice. Yeah. So he says to Jack, keep writing
00:36:55 --> 00:36:57 and don't look back. And then in this trailer,
00:36:57 --> 00:37:00 we hear, you gotta run and don't look back. Okay,
00:37:00 --> 00:37:03 so it's kind of different, but same meaning.
00:37:04 --> 00:37:07 Oh, that line is forever stuck in my head. That's
00:37:07 --> 00:37:09 going to be when I'm on my deathbed, senile.
00:37:09 --> 00:37:12 You're going to hear, you gotta run and don't
00:37:12 --> 00:37:14 look back. And everyone's going to be like, what
00:37:14 --> 00:37:18 the f*** is she talking about? Anyway, should
00:37:18 --> 00:37:22 we move on to topic six? Yeah, okay. KFC, Kathy's
00:37:22 --> 00:37:26 favorite character. We'll reach out to KFC when
00:37:26 --> 00:37:30 we do it. Sometime before they go out of business.
00:37:31 --> 00:37:35 Yes, hopefully. So one of the best parts is stale
00:37:35 --> 00:37:37 biscuit. So I'm just going to make you guess.
00:37:37 --> 00:37:40 I'm not going to list out the characters this
00:37:40 --> 00:37:42 time. So who do you think is my stale biscuit?
00:37:43 --> 00:37:46 There's a lot of contenders here. Yeah. I feel
00:37:46 --> 00:37:48 like the most stale and not necessarily like
00:37:48 --> 00:37:55 you hate them is Irish. Because he's kind of
00:37:55 --> 00:37:59 annoying. And he doesn't want to help. But he's
00:37:59 --> 00:38:03 also not purposefully trying to mess things up.
00:38:03 --> 00:38:06 He's just an idiot. I actually forgot about Irish.
00:38:07 --> 00:38:11 I mean, he's pretty darn stale. I get that. But
00:38:11 --> 00:38:14 I guess for me, maybe it's disproportional to
00:38:14 --> 00:38:18 this game. Again, pacing issue. But I said the
00:38:18 --> 00:38:21 professor. He's not malicious, but he's just
00:38:21 --> 00:38:24 like drugged up high and absolutely ignorant
00:38:24 --> 00:38:27 due to being overprivileged with an overly inflated
00:38:27 --> 00:38:30 ego that leaves no room for a brain with common
00:38:30 --> 00:38:34 sense. He's not malicious, but he's a stale biscuit.
00:38:34 --> 00:38:38 Yeah, a bit of a product of his time. And the
00:38:38 --> 00:38:41 fact that he's very pushy with trying to make
00:38:41 --> 00:38:43 John do drugs with him. There's enough for two
00:38:43 --> 00:38:46 and then shoots all of it into his arm. Buddy.
00:38:47 --> 00:38:51 Calm down. How is he alive is my question. Yeah.
00:38:52 --> 00:38:57 Anyways, point two for my post -game KFC. Do
00:38:57 --> 00:38:59 you want to take a stab at it? I want to make
00:38:59 --> 00:39:02 you guess all of these. Well, because see, I
00:39:02 --> 00:39:04 want to say John, but I also feel like you might
00:39:04 --> 00:39:08 try to throw something at me. I think Bonnie's
00:39:08 --> 00:39:12 in the running. Maybe Abigail. Maybe the Marshal.
00:39:13 --> 00:39:16 Because I know you have a few problems with John.
00:39:17 --> 00:39:22 so i think i'm gonna say bonnie close it's abigail
00:39:22 --> 00:39:26 i mean it's both a female i think because with
00:39:26 --> 00:39:30 abigail we see a bit more i like how she's like
00:39:30 --> 00:39:33 no bs can take a joke she knew bonnie was crushing
00:39:33 --> 00:39:36 on john but she's still able to handle a joke
00:39:36 --> 00:39:39 but what makes her my kfc is the fact that she
00:39:39 --> 00:39:42 went from being a prostitute and getting talked
00:39:42 --> 00:39:45 down being just so minimized in a gang life where
00:39:45 --> 00:39:49 it's predominantly men and then making it out
00:39:49 --> 00:39:51 to the other side being successful being able
00:39:51 --> 00:39:56 to defend herself and her son and on top of all
00:39:56 --> 00:40:01 that be able to just be be real with john saying
00:40:01 --> 00:40:03 that if you're back with with dutch and bill
00:40:03 --> 00:40:07 don't don't be here leave And I love her for
00:40:07 --> 00:40:09 that. The transformation that her character arc
00:40:09 --> 00:40:13 goes through without us having any clue, but
00:40:13 --> 00:40:15 seeing it, knowing that she's made it this far,
00:40:15 --> 00:40:18 I think that's why she's my KFC. She's a bit
00:40:18 --> 00:40:21 of an acquired taste, and I think if you don't
00:40:21 --> 00:40:24 consider her perspective and her background,
00:40:24 --> 00:40:29 you could dislike her a bit. But once you consider
00:40:29 --> 00:40:31 those things, it completely flips, and you're
00:40:31 --> 00:40:36 like, she's great. She doesn't take crap, and
00:40:36 --> 00:40:39 she's been through a lot, and yeah, made the
00:40:39 --> 00:40:43 best out of it. So post -game Kentucky score
00:40:43 --> 00:40:45 share, who I think is hot but doesn't necessarily
00:40:45 --> 00:40:48 have to do with their personality, or so we think.
00:40:48 --> 00:40:51 I feel like it should be John, but I also think
00:40:51 --> 00:40:53 you might have mentioned something about the
00:40:53 --> 00:40:57 Marshall at some point. I'm sorry. Think if there's
00:40:57 --> 00:41:03 any other good options. Like maybe Fordham. I
00:41:03 --> 00:41:06 think I'm going to go Fordham. I'm glad you didn't
00:41:06 --> 00:41:08 say John. I mean, it would have been John until
00:41:08 --> 00:41:10 he took his hat off and then it was not John.
00:41:10 --> 00:41:13 The hat head completely is a turn off. Yeah,
00:41:13 --> 00:41:17 it is. And here's where I have to ask everyone
00:41:17 --> 00:41:23 to no judgment, but it's Dutch. No, I get it.
00:41:23 --> 00:41:26 Everyone will get it. Yeah. Don't worry. He's
00:41:26 --> 00:41:30 an eloquent speaker. He's very confident. He's
00:41:30 --> 00:41:33 got an air about him. Although those things you
00:41:33 --> 00:41:35 cannot see through a picture. So maybe I do need
00:41:35 --> 00:41:38 to question you just a little bit. Well, yes.
00:41:40 --> 00:41:51 It's the shoulders. Okay. So us saying that it
00:41:51 --> 00:41:53 has something to do with personality means we
00:41:53 --> 00:41:57 need to bring up blind KS. So let's see what
00:41:57 --> 00:42:02 you said. What was your blind pick? Number one
00:42:02 --> 00:42:05 is John. You said, definitely someone who goes
00:42:05 --> 00:42:11 to war and gets the job done. Your next note
00:42:11 --> 00:42:14 is perhaps my favorite. And I haven't even read
00:42:14 --> 00:42:16 the rest. But I just know I love your next note.
00:42:16 --> 00:42:19 Number two is Bill. And you said, possibly the
00:42:19 --> 00:42:23 father of number one. I mean, I'm kind of accurate
00:42:23 --> 00:42:27 on that. Not as accurate as you think you are.
00:42:29 --> 00:42:32 Number three is Javier. You said, probably one
00:42:32 --> 00:42:35 of the natives or Aztecs that migrated to the
00:42:35 --> 00:42:39 Wild West. We'll let you have it. Number four
00:42:39 --> 00:42:43 is DeSanta. You said, I wouldn't be shocked if
00:42:43 --> 00:42:50 he had a generic name like John Smith. Incorrect.
00:42:50 --> 00:42:54 Five is Landon Ricketts. Clint Eastwood vibes.
00:42:56 --> 00:42:59 And you left it at that. Moving on to number
00:42:59 --> 00:43:04 six, who is Professor McDougal. He might be a
00:43:04 --> 00:43:06 waiter or a busboy, dot, dot, dot, question mark.
00:43:07 --> 00:43:10 Why do you always think someone's a waiter? Like
00:43:10 --> 00:43:13 every game, there's one character you think is
00:43:13 --> 00:43:15 a waiter. I don't think I'm seeing that many
00:43:15 --> 00:43:18 people are waiters. This is not the first time.
00:43:19 --> 00:43:23 Number seven is The Marshal. You said, I don't
00:43:23 --> 00:43:26 know if I like that sly grin on his face. Fair
00:43:26 --> 00:43:30 enough. Number eight is Ross. You said, the lawyer
00:43:30 --> 00:43:33 of some rich person trying to take the land from
00:43:33 --> 00:43:37 the natives. Nine is Fordham. Another lawyer
00:43:37 --> 00:43:40 or rich person trying to take the land from poor
00:43:40 --> 00:43:45 people. Ten is Abraham. You said, Spanish slash
00:43:45 --> 00:43:49 Wild West version of Robin Hood, i .e. Antonio
00:43:49 --> 00:43:52 Banderas vibes. Probably fights with a sword.
00:43:55 --> 00:43:59 I'm just being straight up racist. But you're
00:43:59 --> 00:44:03 not white, so it's okay. Number 11 is Dutch.
00:44:04 --> 00:44:06 You said, I thought he was shirtless because
00:44:06 --> 00:44:13 of the nude -colored shirt. LOL. 12 is Nastas.
00:44:14 --> 00:44:16 Pretty confident to say he's one of the Native
00:44:16 --> 00:44:21 Americans in this game. Correct. 13 is Irish.
00:44:22 --> 00:44:26 I gave you a lot of options this time. Probably
00:44:26 --> 00:44:31 has alcohol issues. Right on the money with that
00:44:31 --> 00:44:35 one. And then we have Allende. Villain look.
00:44:35 --> 00:44:38 Wants to conquer all the land and towns to add
00:44:38 --> 00:44:41 to his kingdom, even if it means genocide, which
00:44:41 --> 00:44:45 he wouldn't care about. Pretty accurate. Okay.
00:44:45 --> 00:44:49 Do you want to know what you picked? Yeah. Kathy's
00:44:49 --> 00:44:54 blind Kentucky Scorcher. Number one. I like the
00:44:54 --> 00:44:56 scruff, and he seems like he doesn't mind getting
00:44:56 --> 00:45:01 his hands dirty. That's drawn. But then you followed
00:45:01 --> 00:45:04 it up to say, I also have to give credit to number
00:45:04 --> 00:45:07 five. That's Landon Ricketts. Because even though
00:45:07 --> 00:45:10 he isn't my blind KS, he looks like the Western
00:45:10 --> 00:45:16 version of Sarah from YZero. I have to say I
00:45:16 --> 00:45:19 don't see it, Kathy. I don't. see it either now
00:45:19 --> 00:45:23 that I know more about it, but I don't know what
00:45:23 --> 00:45:27 Kathy was thinking when I put those in. But hey,
00:45:28 --> 00:45:32 you picked Jon. I picked well. Good pick. But
00:45:32 --> 00:45:35 I guess, what would your KS be, Jon? I can't
00:45:35 --> 00:45:38 not pick Jon. I cannot return to a time when
00:45:38 --> 00:45:42 I did not know Jon as a character. Yeah. I guess
00:45:42 --> 00:45:46 your LFC has to be Jon too then. Yeah. Pretty
00:45:46 --> 00:45:49 safe to say. I like the Marshal. As a character.
00:45:49 --> 00:45:53 But he's no John. You know. There's just something
00:45:53 --> 00:45:56 about a man trying to better himself. That we
00:45:56 --> 00:46:00 all like right. I do have to say though. For
00:46:00 --> 00:46:04 this game. I added a trash category. I want to
00:46:04 --> 00:46:07 share with you. Four different people made it
00:46:07 --> 00:46:10 into the trash category. And when we say trash.
00:46:10 --> 00:46:14 It's just. What are you doing? I'm dunking DeSanta
00:46:14 --> 00:46:17 into the trash. Preemptively. Trash straight
00:46:17 --> 00:46:21 up. I don't know if we need to go too deep into
00:46:21 --> 00:46:25 it. Should I try to guess all four? Oh, yeah.
00:46:25 --> 00:46:27 You should try for all four. Yeah. Or do you
00:46:27 --> 00:46:30 want to finish your DeSanta first? DeSanta, a
00:46:30 --> 00:46:33 lot of issues on top of betraying Jon and just
00:46:33 --> 00:46:36 causing us so much unnecessary gameplay. So that's
00:46:36 --> 00:46:42 my issue. Okay, you got DeSanta. Reyes. Just
00:46:42 --> 00:46:46 cheating on Luisa itself is enough. Jail. Straight
00:46:46 --> 00:46:51 to jail. Straight to June. This is where it gets
00:46:51 --> 00:46:54 a little trickier because I have multiple ones.
00:46:55 --> 00:47:00 I'll go ahead and say Ross. Yeah. Nice. He's
00:47:00 --> 00:47:08 the reason why John's dead. Simple. Olende. Nice.
00:47:09 --> 00:47:12 He got all four. He forced himself on the woman.
00:47:14 --> 00:47:17 Sorry, I can't say it. He pretty much raped the
00:47:17 --> 00:47:19 females in this game, so we'll leave it at that.
00:47:20 --> 00:47:22 But who else would you put in the trash category?
00:47:24 --> 00:47:27 I'm missing someone, aren't I? Deeks. Norman
00:47:27 --> 00:47:31 Deeks. Oh, yeah. And anyone who had a hand in
00:47:31 --> 00:47:36 Bonnie being hurt in any way. Four for four.
00:47:38 --> 00:47:41 Four for four. Four for four. Why is that so
00:47:41 --> 00:47:46 hard to say? We're losing it. Okay. With that,
00:47:46 --> 00:47:49 should we move on to topic seven? Yes. Okay.
00:47:50 --> 00:47:52 Let's see if I can get three for three. I doubt
00:47:52 --> 00:47:57 it. Don't hold your breath. So topic seven is
00:47:57 --> 00:48:01 final counts or stats. I'll let you know that
00:48:01 --> 00:48:04 there's three stats this time. The first one
00:48:04 --> 00:48:06 is how many times you use the Gatling gun. God,
00:48:06 --> 00:48:10 no, but too many. Yeah. Dang it. I hate that
00:48:10 --> 00:48:14 thing. Good guess, though. How many cows we've
00:48:14 --> 00:48:20 seen? No. No. It's not how many cows. Our courses.
00:48:21 --> 00:48:27 No animals. Dude, what kind of stats are you
00:48:27 --> 00:48:30 choosing this game? Some of them you've seen
00:48:30 --> 00:48:33 before. I was going to say the bird one, but
00:48:33 --> 00:48:36 I think that's too much PTSD on you. How many
00:48:36 --> 00:48:40 times John's rolling his eyes? Or he coughs?
00:48:40 --> 00:48:44 Or smokes? I'm going to give you one more guess.
00:48:44 --> 00:48:47 How many times he smokes? Or someone smokes?
00:48:48 --> 00:48:52 Yeah, there's one. Cigarettes smoked. I feel
00:48:52 --> 00:48:54 like there's a lot in this game, but at the same
00:48:54 --> 00:48:56 time, probably not as much as Big B's. Let's
00:48:56 --> 00:49:01 do 26. 15 cigarettes. Not too far off. And three
00:49:01 --> 00:49:06 cigars. There's two more stats, but you might
00:49:06 --> 00:49:10 be out of guesses. I think you are limiting me
00:49:10 --> 00:49:12 on how many guesses, but I also don't know how
00:49:12 --> 00:49:14 many I'm going to get right. We have another
00:49:14 --> 00:49:21 repeat. Pedestrian dives. Oh. Pedestrian pancakes.
00:49:22 --> 00:49:27 No PPs, just PDs. How many times did someone
00:49:27 --> 00:49:30 dive out of my way? That was such a good one.
00:49:30 --> 00:49:32 I should have known that. I feel like five is
00:49:32 --> 00:49:35 too less, but off the top of my head, it's still
00:49:35 --> 00:49:44 eight or 11. Stu, eight. Well, they're both wrong.
00:49:44 --> 00:49:49 They're both wrong. Okay, five? Four. I need
00:49:49 --> 00:49:52 to stop guessing. The final stat. Are you ready?
00:49:54 --> 00:49:59 Drunk stumbles. Oh. Okay, we knew there's at
00:49:59 --> 00:50:03 least two. Probably three. I'd say four again.
00:50:04 --> 00:50:07 Three. Oh, dang it. I really need to go as our
00:50:07 --> 00:50:12 first guess. I know. Dude, I'm frustrated about
00:50:12 --> 00:50:15 that. That might have been your worst performance
00:50:15 --> 00:50:21 on the steps. Yeah. Well, anyway. Do you have
00:50:21 --> 00:50:23 any closing thoughts on Red Dead Redemption or
00:50:23 --> 00:50:26 should we close out the episode? I think we should
00:50:26 --> 00:50:29 close out the episode. I'm excited to see what
00:50:29 --> 00:50:33 RDR2 brings. I'm so excited to talk about that
00:50:33 --> 00:50:35 game. I know you are. You've been excited about
00:50:35 --> 00:50:38 this game since we even started this podcast.
00:50:39 --> 00:50:42 I know. And I waited until I'm like, I need to
00:50:42 --> 00:50:44 make sure that we're kind of good at this before
00:50:44 --> 00:50:48 we take on this game. So hopefully we're good.
00:50:49 --> 00:50:53 Yeah. But I enjoyed it. I had a fun time analyzing
00:50:53 --> 00:50:55 this game. Definitely, like always, picked up
00:50:55 --> 00:50:57 on things, had realizations that I have not had
00:50:57 --> 00:51:00 before. I'm glad. And that's the whole purpose
00:51:00 --> 00:51:04 of this podcast is for you to see things in my
00:51:04 --> 00:51:05 eyes and pick up things you haven't seen before.
00:51:06 --> 00:51:09 Exactly. And hopefully it's the same for everyone
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