[00:00:00] You know, we're pretty busy lately and I didn't do an auto-contact summary. So like we should just pull it out of our butts right now So okay in this episode Carla takes one to the butt When you're about to serve your mom for dinner
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[00:01:03] All right, so this is when Tommy meets with Sally area who reveals that there is a mole Which we kind of suspected in the last episode after the whole Canadian whiskey issue
[00:01:16] And it sounds like Frank might be the mole because he's gone and so are the account books They briefly mentioned that I thought that Frank would betray them or not that betraying
[00:01:27] Sally area but talk with the feds or somehow help Tommy to help with the feds. I'm not surprised because Frank wanted to keep everyone straight and I'm also curious what motives he has because it's not like Sally area is treating him terribly
[00:01:43] Let's dive into the motives my first point is Sally area says He wonders if Frank is still smarting over the dog and Tommy responds the one you tried to drown and Sally area says yeah the same one I shot after he wouldn't let me sink her
[00:01:59] So he killed the dog that we know Frank loved but Building off of this before we bring it back around to Frank in the last episode when Tommy is searching for Sam at the farm He comes across a dead dog
[00:02:12] And he says what kind of guy shoots a dog and now he's finding out that the dawn has shot a dog So what do you think his feelings toward the dawn are now?
[00:02:25] He's starting to see the dawn in a new light which we'll talk some more about that but to see Tommy's own values is Starting to not quite align with the values that the dawn has
[00:02:39] We'll see how Tommy starts to treat other people and we'll see some more how the dawn treats other people when they're pushed to their edges of their Crisis management skills. Mm-hmm. I agree and I think it's interesting because generally in this type of
[00:02:56] Story development, it's more of like a slow Losing respect for you know for your leader your mentor, but in this case, it's pretty black and white He just said
[00:03:07] What kind of person shoots a dog and then learns this like he can't deny that he can't pretend like he didn't know that Before we do get deeper into Frank's motives There was another thing mentioned in last episode when Polly tosses Tommy a shotgun and says
[00:03:27] Just in case Frank was right. Do you think that Frank knew about the whole what was gonna happen at the The whiskey meet and that's why he wanted them to have firepower with them Or was it just a feeling he had how far back does his
[00:03:42] Betrayal go do you think? I think it's pretty shallow because it's not out of character for Frank to Make sure that they're armed and that they're protected for that reason. I don't think he's that Far back into betraying them quite yet
[00:03:59] I would agree and I think we need to go through the rest of the Frank story and that's before I really get to The deeper conversation so Salary sends Tommy to track down Frank in the books and it's pretty clear like he wants Frank dead, right?
[00:04:14] That feels obvious And while tracking him down Tommy is Informed that counselor Gulotti has brokered a deal between Morello and the FBI So this informant also told Frank about this and Frank never told anyone so there is a
[00:04:29] Little bit of history, but it also sounds like this was a recent thing And then Tommy does find Frank and tails him to the airport where he Finally confronts him and he tells Tommy that Morello finally came for me and gave him a choice
[00:04:45] The dawn's account books for our lives and tickets out of this town That seems like an easy choice, right? Like you can't really blame him. It's either like I'm dead my family's dead
[00:04:57] Or we're not I don't blame him at all and good also realize he kept the books safe until the last minute Like he still has the key thankfully Tommy came in and shot all of Morello's men so they don't even get the account books
[00:05:10] And so I don't I personally don't think Frank did this to betray anybody. It's just what he said that he was just tired of it I Actually thought that Frank probably had no intention of giving over the books to him
[00:05:23] And he's loyal up until the point where he needs to be loyal to swim with that It's not going to affect him. So I totally get that. I don't fault him for that I also feel like because they're so
[00:05:36] Similar in terms of like the morals. This is Frank's Departure in this game as to faking his death is somehow going to run parallel And it's somehow gonna foreshadow the way Tommy's journey is because we know that he ends up betraying the salary area
[00:05:52] where it's with the FBI Tommy lets Frank go. He lets him survive and fix his death and everything I feel like that's gonna be really good karma For when Tommy needs his way out and somehow going to betray salary
[00:06:08] Yeah, I think you're right. I think seeing this and hearing what Frank tells him sort of flips a switch if he's like, oh my gosh I'm looking at myself
[00:06:17] And my wife and my child and you know who knows how many years and I think that's why he folds and lets Frank leave While we're watching all of this go down we do hear voiceover
[00:06:29] Of Tommy talking to the detective and he says I got the books and covered my tracks Salieri never asked any questions. In fact apart from the funeral. I never heard him talk about Frank again Do you think he knows or
[00:06:42] Or I guess what do you think the cover story is because there's Graves for all three of them, right? Frank his wife and his daughter. So what's the story? I don't know. I don't understand how they can bury a fake body and everything with that
[00:06:56] The don checking like because it's too pulled to the head just to make sure and like you can't really pull it out Unless you start in like a warehouse fire and then all their bodies burned up and you found like body doubles
[00:07:08] But how's Tommy going to pull that off? So that's where I'm really confused Maybe with the help of sarah's dad because he might know more people and maybe find some bodies
[00:07:18] I just don't know how you can pull it off without the don being suspicious and then killing you Yeah, I don't know how they did this. He's got to smell something. I think Unless he's just so mad. He doesn't want to look at his face like
[00:07:29] There's my dad then it would have to be something written in You know there would have to be a written reason that we see in this game for me to think that he doesn't know something's up
[00:07:39] And then also at the funeral morello shows up to pay his respects I guess if we get some more hints that he and salieri have a pretty deep history I don't know if you had any comments on that whole Moment it almost sounds like they between frank and
[00:07:54] The two dons I have a feeling that they might have all grew up together under a different don That they formed their own little group of boys And at some point something they had a falling out and then
[00:08:07] Would you have to say it like that? Why their own little group of boys? What do you mean? They formed their own little group of boys Like they're in kindergarten But together a kickball team Well the way they're acting they're no different than a bunch of main child
[00:08:28] It's true. They're just more on the line now But anyways, I I think yeah, I think they used to grow up together They were under a different dawn as a part of like a mafia and then something happened that are falling out and that's
[00:08:42] Very similar to like a aromio juliet without the violence Or the romance or yeah, sorry without the violence without the romance with the violence They got that mixed up Yeah, I think we've we've gotten some information up to this point that for sure the two dons were
[00:09:03] In the mafia together. I don't know what we know about frank's backstory I don't recall really anything specific but I yeah, I wouldn't be surprised All right, so tommy is sent to clean up another mess
[00:09:15] Salieri tells him that morello let it out that salieri's family is responsible for billy's death That's the son of the counselor galotti The counselor is good friends with a prosecutor. That's not good named wacken
[00:09:28] Who has been building a strong case against them and he tasked tommy with breaking into the home of the prosecutor And stealing all the evidence How is Salieri getting all this news like how does he know all this? That's where i'm confused
[00:09:43] Is he does he have ends with some people and if he does why can't he ask those people to take care of things for him? Right, it sounds like they have some informants, but I don't know. They probably don't want to get their hands very dirty, but
[00:09:56] My main question is because salieri says don't kill him. We don't want him dead But if you just steal the evidence Like what kind of physical evidence is there? What are you stealing besides documents that he probably has copies of?
[00:10:10] I don't feel like stealing evidence is going to solve the problem for them, especially when he's being paid to prosecute them And I feel like in the mafia This is a weird argument to make but I feel like you would kill him
[00:10:23] As an example to be like no one else better take your place and do this because this is what happens when you go against us So I'm confused based off of salieri and how he handles things like let's kill frank But let's just steal evidence from this guy
[00:10:39] Something's not connecting for me the only reason why they would choose to not kill him is to Kidnapped him and forced him to say that They made me make this fake evidence, but it's not like he's ordering them to take them
[00:10:54] He's just ordering to take evidence. So I'm also confused about why that is Right, and there's extra heat behind this because obviously they killed this counselor's son So it kind of seems to me like maybe if we take the counselor out of the picture
[00:11:10] This is if I'm salieri i'm killing the counselor, right? Just stop it because He's been going against salieri trying to take him down for a while. Why not just cut the head off a snake?
[00:11:23] Mm-hmm. That's what I don't understand based off of what we know about salieri and his willingness to kill people and dogs It seems like that would be the prime candidate for murder So the break in goes okay until
[00:11:37] Tommy jumps the gun grabbing stuff out of the safe and sets off an alarm Completely just ruins the whole point of this other guy being there. What was his name? I did not write down his name. Solatory
[00:11:48] Salvatore, yeah, but the guy was pretty cute with his happy optimism and his language barrier He was he also really grinded my gears He frustrated me about opening the safe how I'm like, okay. You guys are on time crunch
[00:12:05] Also, his expertise is just putting his ear up to the dial and listening Mm-hmm. Anyone can do that. So yeah, I don't know. I felt like that character was completely unnecessary Salieri then sends Sam and Polly to silence a witness who is going to testify against them
[00:12:24] And we don't see this but he just tells Tommy this and this is where I'm confused Because again, we're killing somebody. Why are we killing the witness? Or did I interpret that wrong and they're not being killed? How did you interpret that?
[00:12:38] I thought they just killed him. I feel like they're killing the wrong people That's what I'm saying Because like I'm thinking back when he talks about like silencing the witness They told them to kill the the gal that was sleeping with with sam, right? Yeah
[00:12:52] And so if that's how casual you are with handing out peoples Death warrants or whatever Then I don't understand the evidence part. Why wouldn't just kill more people? And here's where my questions began. I have in my notes here
[00:13:09] Do you think he sends sam and Polly to do the silencing because he does know about michelle and frank? And so he doesn't trust tommy To kill people that need to be killed That's like part one part two Is that why he doesn't have him kill the counselor?
[00:13:27] Because he's just trying to control tommy right now essentially Because we will also later learn that he insert himself into his marriage to control him too So do you think his trust in tommy is going downhill?
[00:13:40] But he realizes kind of like what frank said that he needs him and so he's just sort of Corralling him in a way I don't think so. I don't think his trust in tommy is being diminished Because we see him later needing to
[00:13:56] rely on tommy in a way Well, maybe he is suspicious Is it trust or is he testing him? Maybe I think he's testing him as he would with
[00:14:09] Sam and Polly. I think it just rotates around like who's doing what job so I didn't really think much about that Okay, so I guess my main question Then because it seems like after frank tommy sort of becomes the new like right-hand man in a way
[00:14:27] But there also feels to be some I don't know if distrust is the right word But disapproval at least because if And this isn't if if he knows about michelle and frank He wouldn't trust him to kill people anymore, right? and then inserting himself into his
[00:14:47] marriage like that Was to correct behavior that he didn't like either So I get confused on their relationship because it seems like they're pretty much Top two from what we see but the dawn is like I don't like
[00:15:04] What's happening with you? It seems very controlling and maybe that is an indication of his relationship with frank too I don't know. I don't know what I'm saying Moving on Polly has lead on a new business deal
[00:15:19] So it turns out that a distiller has been working with morello But morello rubbed one of their guys His name is gates the wrong way Polly and gates worked out a deal Or they will switch to salieri But it needs to look like
[00:15:34] A robbery essentially so that morella doesn't figure out that he's being ditched They had to meet gates and things go pretty well until morello's crew show up so How do you think they found out about this? I think they had really great
[00:15:49] Informants is from gates side. I don't think gates betray them, but maybe his people did or maybe uh Morello just has people watching gates mm-hmm when we're having that little team huddle between Polly just sharing his ideas hams calling him out about
[00:16:09] Him being a whorehouse and then Polly's like it's gentlemen's lounge They have a bar and everything It's mattresses on the floor Makes me wish that tommy had taken him to the blue tropics after that race because now I need to know What is it?
[00:16:25] Is it a closet or is it an actual? club So obviously there's some trouble there's a shit out But the boys are able to eventually get the alcohol back to the warehouse and the partnership is a go
[00:16:37] And what else is there to say besides like this is fueling the war right between salieri and morello mm-hmm All right anything else or last and final scene Let's do our last final scene but we're back to the detective The family bounced back after the end of prohibition
[00:16:56] which Tommy kind of mentions completely just made the last deal not matter Because who cares about alcohol if it's legal? He says that they were doing everything even legal stuff except for peddling dope
[00:17:11] Tommy also mentions that at this point he's married and they have a daughter anything so far should I keep going keep going So we were a little bit confused in this scene in this conversation because they Talk really fast about things that we don't know about
[00:17:26] From what I've gathered it sounds like salieri was working on getting judges in his pocket So it looks like we are trying to put a permanent band-aid on this counselor prosecutor situation
[00:17:38] And the detective makes Tommy realize that marillo must have found out about this and I think that's the piece that we were missing Because he says in 35 he hit us with both barrels so I think we're seeing this feud heat up because
[00:17:53] Marilla is realizing oh no the amount of people I have in my pocket is by comparison starting to dwindle compared to salieri I think that that is going to blend into something else that we're missing half of the conversation
[00:18:06] Or because it's just a conversation so far out in the future that The events haven't happened yet that we don't really know what's going on. So maybe we'll get some more idea later But for now, it's just question marks over here
[00:18:18] Okay, so now now we're going to lunch Salieri and Tommy go to an Italian restaurant big surprise During which Tommy is surprised to find out that salieri told sarah To threaten to leave him if he did not stop drinking And this is where I if I were Tommy
[00:18:41] Would have big issues. We'd have big problems at this point. This is another red flag So so far just kind of tallying up the red flags. We have Tommy seeing Salieri kill the dog. We have Tommy seeing
[00:18:56] Salieri order to kill Frank his best friend for decades and we have a salieri telling sarah to leave him And just going all the way around instead of directly telling him that's like, hey, you need to stop drinking alcohol But that's also starting to in my opinion show
[00:19:16] Tommy that hey, he's not as great as he is and maybe you need to start questioning your loyalty to him Right. And how does it not make you question everything? Like how does it not make you question anything that sarah says to you?
[00:19:30] That her dad says to you that sam or poly says to you I feel like because obviously this lunch is interrupted by a shootout And so I don't think Tommy has enough time to really process what he was just told
[00:19:43] But we do know that they still stick together in the end though Based on what he's telling with the detective Who's they between sarah and Tommy? Yeah, yeah, no, I'm not arguing that they're questioning that I'm questioning How does he know what she's telling him?
[00:20:01] Is her speaking or salieri speaking and same goes for anyone that he interacts with He doesn't exactly why he leaves Yeah, he wants to leave I feel like a line was for sure crossed here Mm-hmm Anyway, moving on to the shootout. Obviously it's morello They shoot everyone
[00:20:25] But look, okay, you kept saying poor pepe and yeah, I agree. But what about that the bartender? Oh, yeah, I mean we very clearly heard Tommy say get down. I don't know what part of get down You don't understand He just stood there and took bullets
[00:20:43] And he saw everything happening with the front row view from the windows and And you know, he was prepared he had a gun behind the bar I couldn't I just couldn't in my opinion Might have deserved those bullets a little bit because
[00:21:00] He didn't drive very hard to get out of the way Moving on the two of them are able to make it out of the restaurant. It appears they may be the lone survivors, but Salieri realizes that his driver carlo set him up
[00:21:16] And his quote is son of a bitch knew where I was going today and he calls in sick Which I didn't know you could do that in the mafia So they do pay carlo a visit I There's a lot to discuss here
[00:21:32] I feel like the I don't know the the director of the rider Whoever was in charge of this this moment. They were like, you know what we need some balance And they they just chose the wrong kind of balance they They did it wrong
[00:21:49] And what they're trying to balance I think is uh, Salieri literally stomping this guy's head in right like to a pulp. That's pretty intense. We've already seen salary slip Right as Sergio will describe it
[00:22:03] We've seen him slip into more and more not good things and then this is like a big spike in that, right? And so I feel like maybe they were trying to balance the intensity with humor Maybe because when we when we get here he's he's doing it
[00:22:24] They're going at it and then he gets need Right in the pee pee And we know what they were just doing and you would think that that might hurt to an extra level And they had to know that we would wonder
[00:22:39] Should we start using medical terms? We're gonna get banned on youtube, but no It's like do we need to Transition from like I'm gonna kill that bastard to him just doing it and we can hear it
[00:22:53] Do we need that? Can't he just be at home counting money running away? Why? I and that's where I have the same question and I wonder are they trying to balance the scene And being like, oh maybe if we make them wonder like
[00:23:09] When he gets need in the junk And then and then him running away In his undies with his little sock suspenders Is it supposed to be funny? I don't know what this scene is. I don't understand Kathy We need a male perspective
[00:23:26] We do does it hurt extra if you get need in the junk when when you're erect or is it the same? Because I I have questions. I want to know if you could snap it off Your face right now
[00:23:43] I can't get you to curse on this podcast or in general, but then you'll just hit me with things like that And My face is all red right now
[00:23:55] Oh gosh, I don't know how to respond, but I would like to know the answer to that question to be fair Break it clear off like you know how like soccer players sometimes their bones like stick straight out of their skin
[00:24:06] We don't watch the same videos online. Yeah, we don't We don't okay Okay I don't know that no, I've never seen that. I would never want to see that I think we need to move on
[00:24:25] But I think we're both we're both confused. I don't know what this scene is I don't know if we're supposed to laugh If we're supposed to be shocked And then you said shoot him in the butt and of course I had aimed right for the butt right
[00:24:40] So that was perfect, but That's the thing like how does the scene go so far In so many directions It's so far out of the on the spectrum of like normal mafia business and
[00:24:56] Yeah, and I just don't understand what they were going for I don't I don't I really don't know what What they want from us. What are we supposed to feel as carlos climbing up the ladder His bus right there like you kind of have to shoot him there
[00:25:09] It's clearly the target and that's when they let you pull the gun out too. They don't let you get close to him You can see I'm sprinting and then it's like oh
[00:25:16] Tommy running out of gas. He can't go faster. Yeah, that's like obviously they want you to shoot him in the butt I feel like the intern was involved in this scene And this is just what we get It's you add some dick and butt
[00:25:32] It'll make it easier to digest the head caving in Also, the lighting was a little bit off at the end of the scene. I don't know if you like the highlights were too bright is weird
[00:25:43] Moving on. I don't really know what else to say, but I will say though That right before it kind of like fades out The way that tommy looks back At just everything that just happened because it was quick It was like a lot to process in between
[00:26:00] Getting shot at then having to kill everyone and then rushing over Only to chase the guy It's like a moment where he realizes the biggest red flag is that if he ever betrays the dawn
[00:26:13] That's his head and that's his body on the floor being smashed to pieces. This is the dawn Personally killing someone and I don't know if tommy has seen that yet But it is by far one of the biggest red flag that he's going to see in the dawn
[00:26:30] Yeah, I mean all of these chapters in this part three are just Red flags from salar. Like that's all we're seeing and I don't understand why Tommy didn't really expect this at this point. I mean, it might be what you said where it's like he's actually doing
[00:26:47] the the killing but I don't understand what he expected like oh, we're gonna shoot carlo in the ass And if you ever steps out of line again, I'll be like, oh remember when I shot you like a second hole
[00:26:57] You don't want to make it three. What was he expecting? I don't understand tommy because like like I said at the top of the episode He basically drew a line
[00:27:08] Of killing a dog makes you a horrible person like you drew that line and then you had someone step over it and you're still refusing to acknowledge that this person is terrifying Anything else Was surrounding carlo No, I think we really summed it up
[00:27:28] Maybe a little bit too much. Yeah Anyway We then move to morello, which is not a perspective that we've had so far and we meet his younger brother Sergio And I feel like there might be two two mothers involved because they do not look anything like
[00:27:46] At all. Yeah, might might just be a Brother from another mother. I'm thinking so Anyway, that's not important But he informs merle that salieri is still alive and like you said that carlo's head is a cave den watermelon
[00:28:01] And this is when we get confirmation that they did the two of them merle and salieri kill papone their old dawn And merle says we've been at war since kill papon It's just out in the open now. I want to know more
[00:28:16] It sounds like maybe they planned this together to like take over the mafia and then maybe Both of them thought that they would be the one in charge And they just didn't plan it out all the way like what do you think this backstory is?
[00:28:31] Think that and I don't know they're saying in English, but they're saying in chinese about um If it's not money or like power, it's a woman And I think that they're probably fighting over the same chick and
[00:28:44] They're like look I am more powerful. I have my own mafia. You should date me or you should marry me So that's what I'm thinking of it's not for power and wealth. It's for a woman Okay I like the angle. It's very kiryunishki
[00:29:01] What do you think of Sergio? I mean not much I didn't really think about him. I was like, oh cool. Okay I I get a weird vibe from him because well During this conversation merle's obviously kind of pissed off and then this guy he's torturing
[00:29:18] Is crying too much because he's in pain And he gets so mad that he just shoots him to death And so number one we see back-to-back scenes of both salier and merle murdering so maybe maybe they're not so different
[00:29:32] But number two we see Sergio sort of reacting to merle like this is Normal right like he knows how to handle the situation and handle merle And that's interesting to me. I feel like Sergio is
[00:29:48] The smart one if that makes sense like he's the one with the level ahead He's a freak. Yeah, he's like frank but younger And with a more Bonded relationship like can you kill your brother in the mafia?
[00:30:02] You know what I mean because the family seems important from what I know I almost feel like Sergio is waiting for morello to fail I I sense a little bit of A little bit of tension where it's like morello doesn't see it
[00:30:16] If that's the case then Sergio probably is just trying to use Salieri to kill morello so he never gets his hand dirty. He's never accused of being unloyal to his group of people And I have no information to back any of this up It's just the look
[00:30:32] That he gives like the feeling I get from that character is that he's he's up to something Anything else it's kind of a weird episode, right? No, I feel like we covered it Yeah Mm-hmm covered it like those socks
[00:30:49] No socks suspenders are covering Carlos calves that took too long to say about it. The joke was there. It was in there So Peepies talking about that Time for peepies. Well, I guess we had one peepee attack, right? But yeah That clearly is not the same category
[00:31:10] To add that to the heavy rain total. We're we gonna need a season long Manhood attack total Are we gonna need to track that through the whole season? At this rate, yes um
[00:31:24] Well, there's a few that I don't know if you're gonna count as a peepee and so a peepee would be pretty obvious I'll tell you that They've been run over by a car
[00:31:36] Yeah, and there should be no mistake. I thought it was like a nearly a nearly no no no That's near miss. That's a different category. Okay Well for just peepees then I think maybe I don't think you rain over anyone There's a few couple of near misses
[00:31:52] I'd say about like Four near misses and maybe no peepees You're correct. No peepees Near misses I I wrote three plus one question mark Two of them are for sure near misses, right? So you're close either way one of them. She's skedaddled backwards
[00:32:11] Yeah, but I felt like it was nowhere near hitting her And then there's another one where it was much closer and they did not skedaddle backwards So I land on three Okay, and I have the one as a question mark because I think it's out for debate, but
[00:32:29] I felt like she overreacted So I think you're pretty close. I think we'll give it to you Yay Are we ready to close it out? I think we're ready All right. Okay Let's do a dacity on one three two one
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