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[00:00:00] Part 4 Part 5 Parkour Wait, Part 5 Anyways Anyways Out of context summary I feel like this one is long and awkward but this is what I came up with It's the part before the final so I get it
[00:00:24] In this episode we learn that diamonds are not the hardest thing to exist Sorry, hold on I was looking at the reels The notification came up of part of reels I'm sorry We're never gonna get through this episode No, no Okay, let's resume Anyway In this episode
[00:00:46] We learn diamonds are not the hardest thing to exist Despite multiple jabs of polys intelligence we find out that he does in fact half brains and the peepee stack gets higher Thank you for coming back from our replay reviews My name is Leah
[00:01:07] We are two friends who are here to replay review and analyze your favorite video games And since Kathy has never seen the games before it helps me view them through her fresh eyes almost like I'm discovering them again for the first time
[00:01:19] We hope it'll be a similar experience for you Alright so Salary sends the boys on a high-risk mission to heist some cigars from a customs warehouse And Tommy feels like something is off Salary then confesses that the real score is diamonds hidden in the cigars
[00:01:44] or the cigar crates but it's clear the mission still does not sit right with Tommy and then Salary leaves the room and says don't drink all the good stuff while I'm gone Another scene where Tommy's drinking again
[00:01:58] It's a bit weird because I want to jump ahead and cut this out but didn't Wait what is that? What kind of flavor is that? It has a bear on it You can't, no stop Focus We'll talk about my flavored water later Okay Well I'm gonna Hold on
[00:02:28] I can't when I'm looking at you It's not even funny Why are we laughing? I'm gonna jump ahead because at one point Polly was like hey it's for all time sakes and so it made it sound like the drinking was
[00:02:42] that was like the first time he's drinking since a long time but then here we're seeing this so there's just like some inconsistencies Any thoughts on the distress between Tommy and Salary Do you think he would have told Tommy about the diamonds?
[00:02:57] Well the fact that Salary said that Sam like gives him a debrief instead of debriefing everyone himself just kind of shows that Sam's on a bit higher ground than Tommy and Polly On the way to the customs warehouse Polly seems off
[00:03:15] and Sam and Tommy poke fun at him a bit but Polly is not in the same white-hearted mood He says no one thinks he has plans but he has big plans which is to rob a bank Well at this point I'm also thinking about
[00:03:29] how does this all fit in with the story that Salary said that when you help someone out too much when they're drowning, you end up drowning as well Is this a situation where Polly's drowning again and then probably not going to go out to help him
[00:03:46] or is it that they're gonna go out and help him and then they get in trouble as well I could see that and I think they're trying to help him Both Tommy and Sam say it's not a good idea
[00:03:56] Sam says going behind the dawn's back is a great way to get killed and Tommy advises Polly to either tell the dawn about the plan or just forget about it, don't do it but Polly's definitely still off when he gets out of the car
[00:04:09] At this point in the game what did you think was going on with Polly? I feel like he wants to make a name for himself and it ties back to the distrust that is starting to increase with Salary and Sam
[00:04:22] Maybe Polly feels like it's always been Sam and me and all of a sudden it's just Sam So what about me? I need to create my own name Well they are able to sneak into customs and eventually find the crates of cigars
[00:04:35] After loading up the crates in alarm sounds and they have to make a run for it back to the Salary's warehouse the other warehouse and when they get back a few of the crates have been busted open and this is when they discover that
[00:04:47] there is not diamonds hidden in the cigar boxes but drugs and they are all very caught off guard to learn that they have been lied to Polly says we put our **** next on the line for this shit and Sam responds looks like it
[00:05:02] and then suggests that they don't tell Salary They all agree and say nothing as Salary walks up This feels like a line has been crossed here Exactly that they have been lied to And the fact that Salary demands loyalty
[00:05:17] and that's what all everything he's talked about through this point has always been you need to be loyal to me or look at Frank yet he's it doesn't go both ways that trust only goes one directional and the fact that he didn't even tell Sam
[00:05:30] who was the one orchestrating a lot of these things It kind of shows that it's three against one and this lying is what's going to be Tommy's breaking point like we're always so close to see and we're always wondering is it it? Is it this?
[00:05:44] And this is it We learn and soon in conversation that this would have basically put them in prison for life So like there's a lot on the line and with Salary not being honest with them obviously that would not sit well
[00:05:57] but let's address the other side of this in Salary Why is he doing this? He's been so against drugs since the beginning and now that Morello's gone he's involved in it Do you think this was previously an arrangement Morello had and he just took it over
[00:06:16] or what do you think has changed why is Salary suddenly in the drug business? I thought it was because Salary one probably went off the rocks with the changing with this bloodthirstiness that we've seen but also now that he has no competitor
[00:06:36] he's like the only don of that area he doesn't need to pretend like they're classier or they don't swear that's what we saw the beginning and it was always about you can follow Morello and he's just cursing and he does drugs and he's so terrible but I'm classy
[00:06:54] and now that he has no competition they can be like I do it all I don't need to pretend to be the classier one because you only have one choice Definitely a steady decline in Salary's character so what the f*** you okay Polly says of the damaged crates
[00:07:19] Sides ain't that supposed to be the hardest thing around and then some dumb grunt that showed up with Salary goes Outside of my f*** maybe Nobody laughs which is hilarious to me the only thing that happens is Salary turns around to look at him like this jackass
[00:07:37] Nobody laughs and I think it's brilliant and the thing is that he does like a hand gesture too to make it more obvious but the way he puts his hand is kind of small The only thing funnier than a joke landing is a joke not landing
[00:07:56] and then I love when Sam walks past him later and like shoves him out of the way but moving on Polly's Herman Salary hands over the crates to some other goons including stupid f*** joke boy So I have a few questions here Number one, where is the trust?
[00:08:12] and number two, does Salary just not want them to know about the dope because he's ashamed He doesn't want them to know it's because he's planning to cut them out on their share of whatever money that they make because if he tells them their cigars and he sells
[00:08:28] and gets a whole bunch of money with the dope he's probably not going to give all that money because it's not proportional to the diamonds and everything I think it's more about the loyalty and maybe he's drawing the line there
[00:08:42] I don't know exactly why he didn't share it Is it just because he knew they wouldn't go for it? Continuing on, Salary asks Sam to drive him to the bar and rather than joining them Tommy and Polly decide to take the train
[00:08:56] Polly's fuming and he is now hell bent on doing this bank job Seems like Tommy's warming up to the idea too He even mentions the car bomb incident again and talks about if he gets arrested Sarah's going to leave him
[00:09:11] So I think things really are starting to stick with Tommy more I think that the bank job seems like it might be the way out for both of them I don't know if I'm jumping too far ahead in the train conversation
[00:09:24] but Polly says that he's ready to punch his ticket right now because the life is wearing him out It made me think about what exactly pushed Frank to feel that way as well Not about Morel threatening his family but what made him feel tired
[00:09:43] and if it's something similar to this that he lost trust with the Don then it's happening twice already and that's two red flags Anything else on the train conversation? It just feels like at some point in this life you're either cut out for it or you're not
[00:10:02] Tommy gets off the train still not being fully committed but as we roll over to scene two it is the day of the bank job and Tommy's all in So we're going to skip over a lot They're on the bank fairly successfully and they flee to Sam's club
[00:10:18] the Palermo to hide out There were a lot of pee-pees and near misses in this section of gameplay They part ways and we'll meet in the morning at Polly's to split their cash and I know your question was why can't they split it now
[00:10:34] and I think that's a good question All I can think is they don't have another bag which seems like poor planning The next morning Tommy's at home and he's acting weird and Sarah gets suspicious Tommy's talking about let's go on a trip
[00:10:49] and he came into some money pack a few bags and Sarah says you and Polly are suddenly flush and now you want to leave town for a few days that don't square You're nervous about something probably you don't even know why yet
[00:11:01] You better figure it out before you get to Polly's just in case it's him that's got you all wound up I jumped around a bit in the conversation but that's the gist She's smart I absolutely love her character
[00:11:12] I think it's because she's been around Polly for so long before Tommy joined it that she has a really great read on people and the fact that she knows Tommy's probably pretty squirrely Tommy's hanging out around Polly he's getting squirrely then it's kind of obvious what's going on
[00:11:32] Tommy does head to Polly's where he finds him dead on the floor Not expecting that I was expecting him to run away with the money or something That was probably one of the biggest shocks I've seen so far You were in denial for a second
[00:11:50] You're like is that Polly or is that a kid? I know He looks skinnier Well should we say so long for Polly? Yeah I guess I know what he does is run with all the killing and the robbing
[00:12:06] but in terms of relative to other so long right now and other mafia members with that perspective I think he's a mother respecter because he offered Tommy and Sam the opportunity to rob a bank with him to split the money and he didn't run away with the money
[00:12:27] so I feel like that's kind of mother respecter Yeah I struggle with this one A lot because in terms of relative to this game I want to call him a mother respecter but he also shot at the waitress that was being used as a shield without hesitation
[00:12:46] I would have liked at least a little bit of hesitation so I am honestly might have to land on mother neutral for Polly begrudgingly I expected his character to steal the money and run away yet he didn't or maybe he did and he's never got to it
[00:13:03] It proved that my judgment was wrong so I feel like because of that he gets slight points for somewhat redemption act from my point of view so yeah I think it's yeah we'll do a neutral and a respecter so a mother Nisperkto new specter Yes
[00:13:24] Somewhere in that range Well Tommy is searching the apartment for the cash and is unable to find it when the phone rings and it's Sam looking for Polly he says he was going to warn him that Sally Harry found out about the bank job
[00:13:38] he tells Tommy you got to disappear Tommy asks for some cash to help get his family out of town and he goes to meet Sam but when Tommy gets to the meat he's greeted at gunpoint and Sam tells him you and Polly put me in a bad spot
[00:13:53] and he's right they really did put him in a bad spot Right I mean he could have stayed loyal to the three so that's the thing is like I get where he is with being put in a bad spot
[00:14:07] but then you have to choose between the brotherhood you had and choosing Sally Harry who you know is going to cut you out on deals Why wouldn't you choose Polly and Tommy who have been loyal with you every step of the way who saved your butt
[00:14:22] who drove you to doctors he could have died and this is how he's repain them We'll get into more I'm going to hold off for now Tommy apologizes but then again asks for Sam's help to which he responds
[00:14:36] there you go again making me choose between my friends and the family it sounds like Sam is most likely the one that killed Polly and then he says Things are right between me and the Don I'm moving up and I just found this big bag of money
[00:14:53] This is also when we learn the Don found out about Frank and Michelle Is that maybe why he's sort of been cutting Tommy out but would that explain why Polly I mean no one knew about the drugs but maybe those two are a peg lower now
[00:15:08] because when Tommy paid part of Polly's share maybe Sally or he's like these two are too close It makes sense with the timeline of hearing the story and then all of a sudden it kind of cut out I'm curious though do you think that same was pretending
[00:15:25] that he didn't know that was dope or was he genuinely surprised that he was lied to I think he was genuinely surprised it could go either way but I think he seemed mad about it unless he's a really good actor but moving on
[00:15:43] Sam says I'm sorry about this but our business has rules and again he's right but how much of this do you think is Sam following the rules versus him doing what he wants Do we know for sure that at that point in time
[00:15:57] Sally didn't know about the money or he knew about the money We don't know and that's why I have this question because I'm not sure how much of this is Sam betraying them versus Sam being in a tight spot and being ordered to do this stuff
[00:16:15] and I think that that's the question that has a lot of bearing on Sam's character My first reaction, my emotional reaction to this question would be that he's just betraying them but at the same time where is he going to gather so many men Tommy responds
[00:16:33] You think you're doing this because you're loyal but you're not you're just scared and then I have written in my notes remember when Sam said the bank job was a good way to have the don kill them he said you'll be next to Morello
[00:16:49] so is he just a self preservation kind of person or is there any aspect of greed to it I think it's self preservation because he doesn't have I don't know I feel like if he had the skills and competency to grow big he would have already done so
[00:17:08] and demonstrated his value to be higher up so I feel like because he doesn't have the competency and he knows that he's doing everything out of desperation and just trying to self preservation See this is where we have it we have a different feeling about Sam
[00:17:25] I feel like he is higher up I feel like we see him be higher up from the start That's true because in the beginning I think it's somewhere in part one I made a comment about how the way Sam is looking at Tommy
[00:17:39] and it's like he's being tested but the way Tommy and Sam not Tommy and Sam, Paulie and Sam are doing things together I just couldn't get a good read on it I could see it going both ways
[00:17:51] but the way he was looking at him made it look like oh now I have to compete with this guy He could have been higher up and then seized how much the don likes Tommy and is threatened by that so that could certainly be part of it
[00:18:03] but I just noticed things like Sam's the one sent in to clean up the failed kill at the church she's the one sent to kill that person it feels like he cleans up a couple of messes that Tommy and Paulie made
[00:18:17] and I think that's why I feel like he's higher up I don't know but I think it's really interesting that we both have different, a different feel about Sam so Sam unleashes his men on Tommy who's able to duck for cover and shoot his way up to Sam
[00:18:33] as he's chasing him we hear Sam say I know you do the same Tom hell I know you've done the same he's saying a lot of things that he's not wrong like he has a point with a lot of these things he's saying Tommy's not innocent
[00:18:47] none of them are innocent it's all about just like relative to each other and so relative to Sam I feel like Tommy is more innocent because he questioned a few things but that's also because we get to see him more yeah it's interesting with this game because
[00:19:09] I mean Yakuza it's basically the same thing it's a mafia but it feels like there's a lot more I don't know Yakuza seems like the whole game is based off of characters who have different tiers or different levels of boundaries and where their morals are
[00:19:27] and somewhat having more ethics this game is constantly changing that was boundaries in the beginning we thought that Tommy wouldn't kill an innocent person but then at the same time we're seeing him kill so much more people and then at the bank with the manager
[00:19:45] it's just like I thought that that's where he would draw the line and the next thing is the next part we watch that line moves further out so my thing is that I want to say that he's innocent but he also can use to push the line
[00:19:57] I think you're right because instead of seeing like we see him struggle with things but we don't see him do anything about it except double down and do something worse the next episode so I think you're right that's why it's hard to justify any of their actions
[00:20:15] and then there's another quote in the chase from Sam where he says the thing about drug money is it pays for a lot of muscle so what do we think is happening here number one did Sam turn Polly and Tommy in
[00:20:29] in exchange for being cut in on the dope profits did he sort of strong arm the dawn here or did Sally airy tell Sam about it in the car ride about the dope and he just trusted Sam more like why does Sam now know about the drugs
[00:20:45] or is he just assuming that this is drug money which is why I had the question earlier about do you think he was pretending like he was shot or if he was genuine because if he was pretending
[00:20:59] then it makes sense that he already got his cut on the drug money but if he was genuine about that it has to be a recent thing it's really hard to get a read on how much Sam knew
[00:21:11] beforehand and how much the Don was keeping from all of them Tommy does catch up to Sam who tries to bargain with him saying that he'll tell the Don that Tommy's dead Tommy does not accept and does kill Sam
[00:21:27] so there was a moment that Tommy hesitated on pulling the trigger so I'm questioning what exactly made him hesitate is he just thinking about the pros and cons is he just refusing to kill Sam out of loyalty for this former bromance thing that they got going on
[00:21:44] between the three of them is it that he doesn't want to cross the line that now has been pushed a bit further out that's a great question because as we've been talking about it's hard to get a read on where Tommy's morals lie
[00:21:59] because he's not okay with murder and then the next minute he is okay with murder and so is it who's being murdered that's the issue that could be why he struggles with this because Sam was his friend then he mentions Polly and that's when he kills him
[00:22:13] so is it anger of the betrayal that pushes him over the edge into being able to kill him? Maybe but I still am confused on what Tommy's morals are I guess we'll never know We'll never know Well, so long for Sam
[00:22:31] I think there's going to be a lengthy debate here Really? I think he's just straight up mother a** because I just can't get over him killing Polly and so we can kind of be sure that he would kill Tommy and he did kill Polly
[00:22:47] and for the reasons of just straight up betrayal of the bromance that they got going on I think it's a mother a** And this is where there's a major question for me which decides either way and it's did the Don order all of this
[00:23:05] or did Sam turn them in? If these are the Don's orders, if he had just people watching and found out about the bank job of course he's going to order Sam to kill them and at that point, Sam's right they put him in a horrible position
[00:23:21] what is he going to do? Get himself killed? They did something stupid That's on them And so if that's the case that these are the Don's orders I think he's still a mother a** because they all know what they signed up for
[00:23:34] and Tommy and Polly still chose to break those rules and Sam's just sent to clean up the mess again but if these are not Salieri's orders and it's just Sam turning them in then yeah for sure mother a**
[00:23:49] because he said in the car ride when Polly was explaining his plan I don't say anything, but I don't want to be a part of it and that line either he's a really good actor and a really good liar or he's telling the truth
[00:24:03] and that's why I lean more I don't want to fully call him a mother a** because I don't feel like he's choosing to do this but we don't have definitive proof that he didn't turn them in I have to land on neutral again
[00:24:19] and I feel like we're cheating Which I would side with you but it's just because of my assumption that he chose to kill Polly but that's a really massive assumption that I'm basing it off of so I can see that if I'm going off of your assumption
[00:24:36] I would say mother neutral as well Well just like the lack of information we're getting makes it difficult to land on something and it's interesting because I feel like the game wants us to feel betrayed by Sam but he makes so many good points
[00:24:51] that I can't, I don't feel betrayed because Tommy did something stupid Well I feel like if I watch it again I would totally side with you when I'm not watching it emotionally if I watch it again Yeah, like I get that assumption
[00:25:06] because I think that's what the game wants us to think but there's just too much that makes me question it Yeah I guess we have to leave it at mother neutral I guess we do This is harder than I thought
[00:25:21] Not as hard as that guy's f**k though Anything else around this scene Sam's death or should we move back to the detective? Let's keep going Alright that didn't take as long as I feared it would so that's good Anyway now back to the detective
[00:25:41] He says to Tommy, I can't do anything unless you're willing to testify in court So it seems like they are ready to start making an agreement and whatever they land on they land on but I think they're both in Is that what you figured? Alright scene three
[00:25:59] We see all the aftermath Many of the members of the family are being arrested and Tommy even does eight years My question to you is Tommy doing eight years for his crimes or is this more of like a protection thing because the detective had doubts
[00:26:15] about being able to protect Tommy because he said that this case would go on for years I think they have to put him in jail probably a separate jail because otherwise he probably would have died earlier but I think eight years
[00:26:28] is probably because he got a lighter sentence for what he calls the witnesses that pretty much turn on their people and instead in exchange they had a lighter sentence I think that's what it is I mean he has to go to jail for everything he's done
[00:26:45] so it makes sense and eight years in prison sounds pretty light when he robbed a bank he murdered people and he murdered Morello and that's a pretty big one so I say eight years is pretty light
[00:26:59] Well yeah and we know that the detective wanted to close that Morello case so he can't close that without charging Tommy with something We do see that Tommy after he's released gets to see his daughter get married but not long after that
[00:27:15] two men confront him in his front yard and say Mr. Salieri sends his regards and shoots him I'm sure you have a reaction to this but my looking at your face My first question is why Mr. Salieri and not Don Salieri?
[00:27:31] That's actually a really good point I didn't even catch that It hit my ear funky Well I think the Don the Don is still in jail I don't think these people have ever really served under the Don and so for them just being a bit more
[00:27:49] distant from him is probably Mr. Salieri or it's a way to kind of show his power extents pretty far out beyond the mafia like maybe these people aren't part of the mafia but they're just contracted hitmen All good options but it's pretty impressive that years later
[00:28:11] and assuming from prison Salieri can still carry this hit out That's what I'm thinking too I'm actually slightly impressed by that The fact that Tommy knew it was going to happen and was telling his family like it's okay, it's okay
[00:28:28] and the fact that he also didn't run or fight it he knew this was coming He even says you're safe now and like he said he didn't seem surprised and he didn't even seem like he wanted to fight it He's okay with it because he knows that
[00:28:42] like his family is no longer a target and he does die surrounded by his family and Tommy's last line is Remember that money, jobs even best pals will come and go but family Family is forever And obviously this has a double meaning because it's talking about his family
[00:29:10] and the mafia family and the music gets a little ominous here as well and this kind of ties back to Sam's quote when he said you're making me choose between friends and the family at this point Sam understood how far the reach of Salieri is
[00:29:28] and maybe even that scene and what happened there kind of taught this lesson to Tommy that like you cannot escape the family because this is also when he learns that Frank was eventually tracked down and killed too Frank was just being dumb by exposing his face
[00:29:44] all over the freaking place and you're up though but gambling places like the one place where you know would have the most number of mafia and gangs and everything you go there and you expect to not be spotted Yeah I mean I'm not saying it wasn't stupid
[00:30:01] but I'm saying maybe Tommy realized like yeah at some point you're gonna make a mistake and they're gonna find you so I really like the line that ends on what the family is forever because it really just ties it up there's just no winning
[00:30:18] Yeah I liked it too I'm actually genuinely surprised I'm okay with this kind of ending because there is some kind of closure I think this is the first time we agree on liking the same kind of ending Family is forever is such a great way to end it
[00:30:31] It's impressionable because his own family stayed with him even after going through jail even after everything that loyalty that he gets from his own family is like a different type of loyalty that this is a willing to stay together and to so wait for him
[00:30:49] because Sarah could have just like taken off right but no she stayed yet the family as part of the mafia isn't like you're trapped you didn't get a choice in this like you may have in the beginning but you have no choice in the end
[00:31:04] it's just only one opportunity to either stay in or leave dying in a body bag or whatever Yeah and going back to our conversation of him almost being relieved it's almost like he yielded to the mafia family to protect his family family you have to choose one
[00:31:24] it seems and there's sacrifices either way that need to be made but I'm glad you liked this ending I'm gonna hate me again No I like this ending I like the closure and I appreciate how relieved Tommy is with the ending because he knows
[00:31:44] that them trying to kill him might accidentally kill someone else which is the same thing with the car bomb sometimes that karma catches up with you not with you but with your family members so I think that it's a great way that
[00:31:59] it starts with him, it ends with him and his family stays safe I appreciate that You're definitely right because when Sam's telling him that Frank got offed Tommy asked him what about his family and Sam doesn't know so even at that point he's
[00:32:13] like what happens to my family if I get caught so I think that does become as the game moves forward I think it becomes more important to him yeah I think as his character progresses his desire to protect his family progresses
[00:32:29] and that's maybe why we get confused by his morals because it's not really highlighting the right growth that we see in his character So going back to the same things I thought we didn't know that topic but about family and him he pretty much separates it that
[00:32:51] Salieri and everyone else's family and then Tommy and Polly are friends what made it those two go into the friend category like is it all because they just wanted to leave a family and all of a sudden they get kicked out and shunned into the friend category
[00:33:07] why can't them three be their own family members Sam's perspective is probably that they betrayed the family by doing this because we even hear all the goons in this giant shooting scene say things like nobody eats alone and you don't step out on the family
[00:33:26] so everyone's mad at Tommy for doing this bank job so I think maybe it's a bigger role than we understand it to be and so I think that Sam's perspective would be you chose to betray the family and therefore you're no longer a part of it
[00:33:44] which I guess for Sam the morals has always been protect the family over any person which makes it hard to say that he's a mother because that's where his morals are set versus Tommy's morals are a bit shifty like Sam's the only one who's really staying
[00:34:03] true to the life he chose in a way which now that I'm thinking about it some more I kind of don't think in any way he can be a mother because of his morals and his baseline has always been family first right
[00:34:20] I think the only thing that could possibly be used against that is him wanting to keep Michelle alive but he says to Tommy you're the one that let her go so basically it was my suggestion but it was up to you
[00:34:36] like I'm not the one who actually betrayed the family you are so I think that's really the only thing that could say that he had a moment of of fleeting loyalty it's been 24 hours and I'm still not sure exactly where I feel okay so mother
[00:34:54] or mother of respect for Tommy then uh I don't know because he says he does things like rob the bank to you know get out of the mafia and help his family start a new life but I don't fully buy that I think he kind of likes
[00:35:14] doing this kind of thing this is another hard one I think if you ended it before the epilogue eight years later I would say mother neutral to mother but I think the information we learned after the epilogue it seems like he's
[00:35:32] understood the things that he's done a bit more and his priorities have been straightened and he accepts his punishment in the end and that pushes it more towards the mother neutral to mother respecter side of the scale yeah with Tommy it's just
[00:35:48] I don't even know what to base him off of like with a family man I can see very close to mother respecter to like I think it is mother respecter that ultimately he wanted out because to protect his family he was happy dying for his family's protection
[00:36:04] and to make sure that they never get involved on the mafia side he ends up just a bit of a mother based off of your baseline of you're either with the family or against it and you betrayed the family so because of that it nets to mother neutrals
[00:36:22] it's a bit higher up closer to the mother respecter side but still in the neutral zone yeah I would agree and I didn't realize until we started talking about this game how confusing I find his character he's one of the few characters
[00:36:38] where I just can't get a firm grasp of like what he's about well his character arc is a bit funky because traditionally you have people who start out great and then they have their villain origin story or you have people who continue to stay great
[00:36:54] you get a tipping point they either choose to be bad or good or you get like a redemption arc but him he's none of those things none of those traditional what can you expect from him he has shifting boundaries even going back to that
[00:37:08] question in part one of like how much of this did he choose versus was he forced into it because he was initially forced into it but then he does like you were saying kind of come back because he wants some revenge so it's like he always
[00:37:24] has one foot in and one foot out from the start and I think maybe that's why we're confused by him because he's not fully committed either way until he goes to the detective and let's not forget that he threatens to give the books to the detective and
[00:37:38] pretty much betrays entire family everyone in that he betrays Ralphie which he finally appears he betrays Ralphie's back face in prison he betrays Vicenzo and his father-in-law so it's not just salary that he's betraying but all the somewhat goodish people that he's met along the way
[00:38:04] anything else or should we save the rest for the summary and move into the PPs and near misses? Do the PPs I think you had at least like seven or eight PPs like you got one of a double whammy for the double PPs not quite five five okay
[00:38:28] for near misses there is like two of them they were like overreacting and then there's one where one was underreacting that one was a hair from a Pp that sounded disgusting the visuals you're creating but you know what I mean though we had to go back
[00:38:52] and look it is as close as you can get that wins that woman that NPC wins the near miss she's the queen of near miss let's do five again seven oh my god I you almost had him if you had reversed well that was hard
[00:39:12] it was not as hard as that guy's okay any closing thoughts or should we end the episode well end the episode I'm sure we'll have more to discuss in the summary looking forward to it Adacity on one three two one
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