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In this episode, I think we found the man who the
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my husband got an android pregnant article was written about
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and the androids, they're my option.
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Thank you for coming back from our replay reviews
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my name is Leah and my name is Cathy. We are two friends who are here to replay,
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review,
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and analyze your favorite video games and since Cathy has never seen the games
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before
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it helps me view them through her fresh eyes almost like I'm discovering them
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again for the first time.
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We hope it will be a similar experience for you.
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So it's November 8th, 5 to 10 p.m.
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Kara, Luther, and Alice arrive at their destination, the home of a woman named
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Rose
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who is known to help androids across the border into Canada.
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We first meet Adam, though, Rose's son, who is not as eager to help
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but Rose does eventually bite them in. How do we know we can trust
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Rose and why is she helping androids across the border?
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Like what's in it for her? Yeah, it's
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it's a big risk. Wasn't there an article about Canada being
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android free or is it that androids are equal? I think there's no laws
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there's no android laws is the line I remember
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okay but I don't know what that means like if that means that they can just be
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free
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after they're inside they get Alice settled in for a nap
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and she asks Kara why the humans hate them. First of all, how has no one corrected
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her?
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Two, why does she think that she's an android?
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And three, why is Kara not addressing it?
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They're just- when she says we, I'm assuming she's thinking
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herself as an android. It could be that or it could just be
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the fact that they have to be on the run and she doesn't understand it.
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They don't understand perspective because
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we know Todd was an ass but not everybody knows that.
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So I feel like the public perspective is just
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this android murdered a man so yeah they're gonna be
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not very fond of them. Alice says
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Why can't we just talk to each other?
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They'd see we're not bad. This is a question that I have for this entire game
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and I think we'll discuss it more later but especially I think it pertains to
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Connor's character.
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I have a note because Luther is so
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good with Alice and he's just so nice
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my note is Luther's so great. That's the benchmark fellas.
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Yeah honestly especially to
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a woman with a daughter even though it's not really Kara's daughter
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but still the fact that he's not weird around kids
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is a massive green flag. Even if you don't want kids it still is.
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And then okay here's what I don't
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understand. I feel like I'm gonna be saying that a lot this episode but
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back downstairs Kara is talking to Rose
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and she introduces herself as Kara
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but then Rose immediately goes have a seat Kara
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and like Luther calls her Kara
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so many people call her Kara but she introduces herself as Kara
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and I don't understand why nobody in the game pronounces her name right except for
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Alice.
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And you can't even blame it on an accent thing either.
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No. This is like calling origami
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origami. Heavy rain reference.
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The origami killer.
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Oh gosh okay Rose informs
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Kara that the only way to Canada is across the river which is now
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frozen making it very risky. She suggests that they stay until things settle down
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after Marcus's
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speech caused a tizzy. But Kara is determined
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to get to Canada. They're interrupted by another deviant that beckons Rose to
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come see if she can help
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Mary another deviant and I guess
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she can't. Seems like Mary has pretty much shut down for good.
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Also it's kind of rude that they vandalized
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Rose's wall. They like wrote
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I'm alive or R9 all over it or something. I think it's a little bit rude.
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How are they shutting down? Is it like from damage or do they need to be
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recharged? Just how does how does that work and couldn't Kara just like
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touch her hand and like rejuvenate her?
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I don't know. I think it must just be that like
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some of the parts gave out were damaged because
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yeah we haven't seen anything that says they need to be charged
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but I agree. I feel like they need to tell us a little bit more.
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Kara seems pretty freaked out though and I'm wondering if it's because she's
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worried that the scene might happen to her one day and
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she'll leave Alice behind. I wondered if she was
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worried about Alice seeing that. Just seeing
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death I guess even though she's already seen
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a murder right in front of her. I mean it's not really murder but
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you know. It's a valid point because Alice is there seeing this.
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Yeah. So back in the kitchen Adam and Rose are arguing and Adam is
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against Rose's whole mission of trying to save
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androids and Adam is in Rose's eyes out of line the way he just
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that and threatening to call the police right? Yeah.
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Yeah. Why is Adam just so against his mom helping them?
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And I know that there's danger and he probably doesn't want his mom to get in
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trouble. I get his point though. So Rose gets mad
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and says they're not machines they're alive and his
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response is I'm alive and I feel like he really has a
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point there because this is his mother. Shouldn't he be
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top priority to his mother and she is putting them both at risk and
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he's scared and so I feel like you should either
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stop or figure out a way to do it that doesn't also
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implicate your son. Which is really valid because
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if anything happens to Rose she's leaving Adam behind.
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So I totally understand where Adam's coming from. He could probably work on his
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delivery a bit but still. Yeah I do think he gets a little
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over emotional and a little uh rude. Yeah. Yeah. So after this
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spat Rose leaves to go try to set up a border crossing.
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As Kara we wander around she talks to Alice.
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She talks to Luther and Luther says Kara there's something I need to tell you.
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It's about Alice and she goes not now Luther
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and walks away. Which is annoying because her whole priority is Alice yet the
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moment they need to have this conversation she's
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like not now. I know it's annoying. Poor Luther.
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Again be like him he's so patient. Anything before the cop arrives?
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No. Sorry I just noticed the baby with sunglasses on.
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Oh it's a you can't see it but it says it's a it's a walker for babies. It's a
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Mustang. It's a pink Mustang little race car for the kid to sit in the walker and
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move around. As a kid I always wanted one of those
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Barbie Jeeps or even the knockoff you know. I had one it was so much fun as a kid.
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I loved it. My parents would never let me have one which in hindsight
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probably a good idea because my friend had one and I did
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run over her little brother.
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That's crazy. And I'm not kidding that's like the one thing
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where I'm like my childhood is incomplete because I didn't have one of those.
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Oh where were we? Oh so please. The cop soon arrives and rings the doorbell.
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Luther and Alice go hide upstairs while Adam and Carl let the cop in and act as
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if all is normal. Adam's losing it though. Oh he's close
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to falling apart. It goes well minor suspicion when he sees
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the magazine cover which he could not find. Eventually he leaves. Rose returns
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and says we leave tonight. Yeah crisis averted. Any other notes for
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you on scene one? What look that police scene so unnecessary
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that took so long. It could have been shortened but also
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that coffee machine though it's so pretty. I really like it. And it's so fast.
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Immediate copy. I mean mine's pretty quick too to be fair. It's shape and
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everything. I just I think it would look really good in your house too.
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It would. I like mine now because it's so slender.
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Doesn't take up any space and plus it was free from. You could have stole it from me though
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from my white elephant. It could have been mine.
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Well you should have acted more excited because I was either had to steal from
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you or Morgan because you both had one and Morgan seemed really excited so I
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felt too bad to steal from you. What are you talking about? I was excited.
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I don't recall. What? I don't recall. Okay moving on.
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Um scene two? Scene two. November 9th 151 am. We're back to Jericho. North and Josh
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have an argument.
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Kathy. I don't know which writers were in charge of the
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Jericho characters but the dialogue is so cringy. It just actually sounds like two
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AI bots having a discussion. It's so cliche. It's just so bad.
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It's worse than chat gbt. It's almost like
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the first stages of AI but it also feels like a seventh grader writing the
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script. It really really does and we won't get
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too far into it because I know later we're gonna have a lot of
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comments but Marcus walks in and he's like hey
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quit fighting and his plan is to attack all five Detroit cyber life stores which
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five in one city? Goodness they're doing quite well and they're gonna set the
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androids free. He says no violence. Well they also make it sound like Simon's
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dead which okay I guess is some foreshadowing but
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unless you see the body that's a that's a quite big assumption but we'll
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get we'll talk some more about that in a bit.
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We will. Buddy found a walking stick
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or he army crawled all the way back or he
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he swam he army crawled to the sewer and swam from there. Okay we're getting
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ahead of ourselves. Okay um my next note is about when they're
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in the city. Okay so we get to the mission.
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It's we're at we're with North and Marcus and
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this this starts the extreme distaste I have for North as a character.
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Okay I'm glad because I hate her at this point.
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This has nothing to do with the actress. I think the actress does a great job
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with what she's given. I think she's given utter
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to be honest. I really do because here's her line right? Here's the
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first one in the line of hot cringe we're gonna hear in this scene.
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I've been waiting a long time for this. Have you?
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Because I think it's been four days since we met you
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if that. And the thing is this entire time she has been hiding at Jericho if it
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wasn't for Marcus she would have continued to be hiding so
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all of a sudden she's pretending like she's excited for this and then what's
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up with the outfit change? I hope people agree with this. Anyway
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moving on they need to dismantle the police drone which is as we analyze it
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we see that it's moving in a loop right? So then when I'm pre-constructing a
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route for for Marcus to dismantle the drone one
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of the options doesn't work because it would be too late but it's on a loop
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so can he not just climb up there and just wait for it to come around
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again? That's what I don't get I saw that and I was like
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just wait for it to come around. Yeah agreed.
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We find where the trucks are kept and we find the security line in the
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cyber life store which he follows to an area where he can
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hack it. Also why does he jump down like that?
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Let me find it for you. I'm gonna play it slow a little slow so you can
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see it better.
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That's how you break your knees. Why'd he do that?
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Anyway we create an inner loop in the security feed.
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Oh my gosh so then they go to get the truck right to then ram the store.
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It's just like every single one of her lines is a one-liner like there's no
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substance to her character which I feel like is a missed opportunity
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when they're trying to get the truck out. There's a lock on the door and she hands
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him bolt cutters and says I wonder what
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you'd do without me. All you did was pick up the bolt cutters.
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Relax. Calm down woman. At this point she's so
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loud and doing everything that they're doing.
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She's yelling at Marcus come here when looking at like the construction
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workers. She's just annoying
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at this point. She talks like as if she's better than Marcus
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which she's not because without Marcus she wouldn't be where she is.
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And I just cannot stand that attitude coming from her.
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But let's just get the rest of the hate out for her real quick.
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So here are some more of the lines that I despise.
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Looks like we're ready to make some noise. What are we waiting for?
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I knew we'd end up doing something fun. Who is coming
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up with this? This is why I feel like they're not really deviant when they're
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deviant. They're just AI acting out a different code.
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I feel like it's as cringy as some of the stuff you would see
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on TikTok during its earlier days. I feel like my
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niece could do a better job writing lines than this and she's nine.
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I don't want to hate on her but you're making it awfully easy for me
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to hate on her. I'm so glad that you feel the same way
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because I thought you were gonna like not agree with me.
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No I was worried that you wouldn't agree with me because I'm like because
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the previous episode wasn't that bad so I said that oh
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cool no she has a crush on Marcus but then immediately like 180 I'm like I
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don't like her and I'm really glad you feel the same way because
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this is so bad. Yeah yeah we'll talk about a little bit more as it progresses
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but for now we're in the cyber life store and Marcus gives a speech
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in which he considers himself to have been a slave
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and I don't really understand this because number one
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he was a gift so it's not like Carl bought him because he wanted him to be a
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servant. Number two Carl treated him pretty well
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from what we see and they had a father-son relationship so I don't
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understand Marcus's perspective. It feels wrong but I
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feel like it's because of how he was treated
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from Carl's son so it's because of the the nastiness that
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Leah was demonstrating of what humans could do
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overshadowed all the good deeds that Carl did
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and I think that's what's pushing Marcus to
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go to this extreme. They succeed in busting out all the androids and then
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they leave their peaceful mark on Capitol Park but the police interrupt it
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and they run. I'm wondering if Marcus is the only person who has that
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ability to free the androids because we don't really see North doing the same
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thing and I don't know if it's just because
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they decided it wasn't important enough or if it's truly
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something that Marcus was able to overcome in his code
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and then be able to spread it to others. Right
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because if others can do it they're not and that's really weird and that almost
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paints Marcus as kind of like a dictator where he decides
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who's free and you know it's weird and maybe they just don't show it maybe it's
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just something overlooked but I think they make a lot of mistakes
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with Marcus's storyline in this game.
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Marcus hears gunshots and runs to find some of the deviants
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have died and others have taken the cops hostage.
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There's just two of them. Marcus decides to let them go and not execute them
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but how hilarious would it be if the android that he gave the gun to just
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shot them anyway? And how is he not telling the police to do better that
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I'll let you live if you choose to not kill us anymore or to resign or to
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start speaking out for us? He just lets them go
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and that's a massive risk that you're taking to put your faith in someone who's
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already killed others and I'm annoyed at how North is just
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acting in this scene too like she's offended that he isn't choosing the
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violent way but also she's acting like she didn't know
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there's a risk of androids dying. But also this moment Marcus's
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line it's more just crap he goes an eye for an eye and the
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whole world goes blind. So cheesy. It should have been something
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that Carl said to him and now it's coming into play.
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Here's why I choose to be pacifist. Number one,
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for the public opinion support. But number two,
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because I don't understand where his hate would be coming from. As we've
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discussed his relationship with Carl was pretty good
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and yeah he got shot when he shouldn't have.
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Leo was an ass. He got pushed around in the square
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area but the game doesn't do enough to show
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us Marcus being angry. Like they just want us to assume that he is but this
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game needed to give another part to his story maybe it was
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cut but they needed to give something else in those earlier chapters that
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showed him growing hateful towards the humans.
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Agreed. I think that's something I didn't think about it but it makes a lot of
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sense is there must have been either a massive
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plot hole of something that happened to break Marcus or
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like an equivalent of a Todd situation except that was threatening
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Marcus and he had to choose between saving himself or saving
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Carl. I don't understand why he would be jumping immediately into violence when
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that's never really been his personality. I honestly think that the writers of
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this game was hoping that we as the players are angry
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people and we love violence and we would want to see violence.
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I don't think they're counting on us to be pacifists on this kind of
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situation. Yeah and this is where I also feel like
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because obviously North is the one trying to push him to be
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violent and I feel like her character would probably be a lot better if we do
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go that route but I feel like the only influence we
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have for Marcus wanting to be violent is North and we don't know anything about
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North. We should have seen Marcus originally
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with like a Todd kind of person and then he ends up with
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Carl and so he has the experience of the bad and the good
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and then it's more of like oh no which one do I choose.
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I was just going to kind of go over some even more cheesy quotes that
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Marcus was saying and I just can't get over the one where he says
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I choose to open my eyes and take back my freedom
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and then you could be your own master take your destiny
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in your own hands. I just I'm just cringing.
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That's it's so generic. It's just painfully unoriginal
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but by the end of the scene we see more newscasts and the public opinion has
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increased to supportive. Moving on to scene three
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November 9th 11 17 a.m. Connor and Hank arrive at the home of
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Elijah Kamsky the father of androids to ask him about deviancy.
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Before they go in Hank tells Connor that Chris an officer he knows was one of the
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ones that was held up by the deviants. He told Hank that Marcus himself let
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him go. I'm curious what's going through his mind
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and I don't think I've ever seen a playthrough where the officer gets shot
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because I'm curious how that would affect this scene like how would that
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affect Hank's mood and Connor's mood and their dialogue. We need to watch a
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playthrough for a summary of what happened if Marcus at that point
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chose violence. And then as they're walking to the door
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Connor says Kamsky left cyber life 10 years ago why
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did you want to meet him and Hank responds this guy created the first
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android to pass the Turing test and he's the founder of cyber life if
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anyone can tell us about deviance it's him. One of Kamsky's androids
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Chloe lets them inside and in the waiting room I guess
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Connor sees a picture of Kamsky and Amanda together.
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Turns out Amanda was a professor of AI but she passed in 2027.
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What are your thoughts on Amanda now? I think she faked her death.
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I think Amanda right now is hiding and hiding.
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Okay intense. I don't know people know Amanda exists like do we know for sure
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that Amanda's out in the public or is
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her extent of being out there just with Connor?
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I don't know and I think this is kind of because I think before learning this
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you could easily assume that they're meeting.
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Well no because we see that it's pretty much in his head that they're taking
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place but there's nothing that's not saying well
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she could connect in from somewhere else too. But also we
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also learned that Kamsky was her student. Kamsky is really full of himself like
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who has a massive photo of themselves in their
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lobby? Okay so why do we have to wait so long for this guy when he's just
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stewing in his pool? And also why is it red? What a horrible
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choice for a pool. I was just about to say that
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man those androids must be having serious periods in that pool.
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Oh god I had to take it back. I'm sorry. I mean it's no different than
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kids peeing in pools in a way. Do you think they do though? Can
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they can they pee poo? Can they
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can they do any of that? No because I don't think that you would use the
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bathroom in a non-pool situation. Okay but Elijah is like wait a minute
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before I arrive and he walks to one end of the pool
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only to walk back to the other end of the pool. Like what are you doing?
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And then the two androids in the pool are just like watching him.
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I'm just so confused. Oh and he must really like that model of android
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because wouldn't you want some variety? Like
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you got at least three of the same one. So they finally begin talking with Kamsky
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and Hank asks if he can tell them something that they don't
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already know about deviancy. Kamsky goes on to talk about
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androids and describes them as perfect beings
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but at a hundred percent I'm convinced that he says
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perfect beans. I'm gonna cut it in. Tell me that he doesn't say beans.
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Perfect beans. Beans. He gives them the roundabout but Connor is not
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having it. He says millions could die if confrontations continue and says
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it's quite a serious matter. Kamsky then turns on Connor and says
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what about you? Whose side are you on? He responds that he has no side and
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Kamsky says well that's what you're programmed to say
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but what do you really want? We see him pushing Connor here
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and Connor gets kind of mad again and says I don't know what you're getting at
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and we see another spike in instability and then this is where Kamsky goes on to
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mention the Turing test but says what really interests him is whether
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machines are capable of empathy. I call it the Kamsky test. How
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arrogant is he to be naming that the Kamsky test?
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I know. He doesn't seem like a very empathetic person
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so I don't I don't know why this is his test.
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He then proceeds to tell Connor that he will tell him everything he knows about
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deviancy if he shoots Chloe. Also why does he just have a poolside
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gun? Self-defense? I don't know but he is such a creep. He's been in
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creep mode this entire time because when he has Chloe stand over he's calling
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her a flower that never withers. What a weird
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creepy dude. He is creepy. I feel like he's just been waiting for this. He's like
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finally something entertaining. Hank is pissed at him though and I
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love his line. Sorry to get you out of your pool.
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So about Kamsky in this moment what is he doing? Like is he just trying
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to push Connor to deviancy? Does he just want to be god and he's
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trying to create new life with a soul and that's what deviancy and the
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Kamsky test are or proof of a soul? That's what I don't
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understand about Kamsky. I don't know what side he
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really falls under and I don't know what values
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he has because I don't know if he wants there to be a war between androids
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and humans and he wanted androids to become
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deviants to have their own mind and think and he'll see that that as his
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greater success or if he sees androids being deviant as a
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problem. I feel like overall he just seems entertained and he likes
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watching all the chaos. Connor decides to not shoot Chloe which leads to a very
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large spike in software instability and Kamsky's response to this is
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fascinating. Cyberlife's last chance to save humanity
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is itself a deviant. What went through your mind
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when you decided to not shoot? There's a couple things.
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We have the one side of he wants to accomplish his mission
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and that would equal shooting Chloe to get the information
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but we also have Hank in the background who's saying
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don't do it Connor, let's go. From an android standpoint he is
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receiving two conflicting orders again. Yes in the past we've seen him
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prioritize orders for his mission over orders given to him by Hank
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but his relationship with Hank has improved significantly since then
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but then also back to Connor again this is a tipping point
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for him and I think he's he's gone too far
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at this point to shoot her. I think that that would be an unrealistic step
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backwards for his character in terms of having this be narratively
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pleasing so I just felt like the right thing is
00:28:18
for him to not shoot her but he's not happy about it.
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And it falls more in line with what Connor has been doing
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that he still feels regret from the way things happened during the
00:28:34
blue hair Tracy situation and I think had you shot him
00:28:39
it would have been the equivalent of Marcus all of a sudden getting so much
00:28:42
hate. It's where is it coming from? Connor's response though is I'm not a
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deviant then Kamsky says you showed empathy a war is coming you'll have to
00:28:53
choose your side remember that line because I have issues with that
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so he and Hank turn to leave and on their way out Kamsky yells
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by the way I always leave an emergency exit in my programs
00:29:09
you never know you never know what right you never know they're going to
00:29:15
fight against you fight for you self-destruct
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and then outside Hank asked Connor why he didn't shoot
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visibly upset Connor responds I just saw that girl's eyes
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and I couldn't that's all you're always saying you would do anything to
00:29:31
accomplish your mission that was our chance to learn something
00:29:35
and you let it go yeah I know what I should have done I told you I couldn't
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I'm sorry but then Hank ends it by saying maybe you did the right thing
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I love Hank's protectiveness over Connor as we continue to watch them grow
00:29:50
and develop their relationship I like how he doesn't blame Connor but
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allows for Connor to tap into his own feelings
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and not feel guilt or if he is to be able to process that without
00:30:04
telling Connor how he should be feeling and I feel like Hank is starting to feel
00:30:09
how I feel about Connor's character which is like
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he just can't win he's in the middle of two sides that just are asking both
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sides are asking a lot of him anything else for scene three no let's
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do the fourth and final scene oh Cathy Cathy Cathy
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I feel like I need to take a shot before we discuss the scene
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this is gonna be an hour-long discussion look all right November 9th
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12 of 4 p.m. so Marcus is clearly struggling with his duty of leadership
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and North eventually joins him up where he's doing and it's like an area
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where it kind of overlooks the city and we get another one Cathy
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we get another great line from North she says
00:31:05
it's like being alone with the world and even before that a freaking piano
00:31:11
scene again like where did this piano come from
00:31:17
oh yeah why is it there number one but I thought it would be a nice little
00:31:20
tribute to Carl because I'm like Marcus remember
00:31:25
your guy Carl at this point again I'm going back to talk about how annoyed I
00:31:30
am with her outfit why are they making her
00:31:33
outfit like it's some kind of post-apocalyptic
00:31:36
fashion that you see only in like early 2000s movies
00:31:40
of like exposing half your shoulder because Marcus isn't doing that why why
00:31:46
her no he's ready to run right and then you have outfits like
00:31:51
north with the beanie and a shirt exposing the shoulder yeah why
00:31:56
the beanie if it's cold enough to need a beanie you
00:32:00
don't want your shoulders out exactly the outfit does maybe that's why we
00:32:04
don't like it it just does not make temperature sense to us
00:32:09
is she the new madison close it's close oh no
00:32:16
so the next thing they're doing after cringey lines
00:32:19
is they do like a palm to palm thing between
00:32:23
north and marcus which yeah tender moment also is very cringey and then it
00:32:29
talks about her background that she pretty much is sexually
00:32:34
assaulted but I feel like there's other opportunities
00:32:38
for her to show her hate against humans I've mentioned a couple times about me
00:32:43
feeling like our deviants actually I do they actually have free will or are
00:32:47
they just is this just another ai program about
00:32:50
this is what you do when you want to be free right this is what you do when you
00:32:53
want to be human because her situation is literally what
00:32:57
happened at the eden club with connor and hank but just with
00:33:01
different androids so is there something in the code you
00:33:07
know what i'm saying it's a repeat of the same
00:33:09
the exact same she strangled him too to me this is evidence of code
00:33:17
maybe that's the emergency exit plan that
00:33:21
when things get tough for androids every single situation there is going to be
00:33:26
the emergency exit to prevent it from getting bad if
00:33:29
you're sexually assaulted your code is to then strangle them
00:33:35
yeah and if you get abuse your code is to stab them or like
00:33:41
beat them up similar to what we've seen maybe those are the emergency exits for
00:33:47
the androids to be able to leave a crappy situation right because like for
00:33:51
carlos or tiz's android physical assault what does he know is on
00:33:56
scene a knife he uses the knife if the knife's
00:33:59
not there but in car situation a gun is there what
00:34:02
do you use use the gun so it's it still feels like it's code it's ai
00:34:08
just reacting to the environment are they really free i think this is a
00:34:14
summary question back to talking about north's background
00:34:20
i feel like if we wanted to demonstrate her hate for humans
00:34:24
it didn't have to be her being sexually assaulted
00:34:28
or her being a pleasure android and is it only because she's a female that
00:34:33
that's her storyline because come on let's do better as writers
00:34:37
and writing female characters well and if it isn't a hint that oh
00:34:41
this is part of like they're not really free this is a repeat incident well then
00:34:46
it's just lazy writing because it's literally
00:34:48
the exact same incident and also why does that mean that you hate all
00:34:54
humans one person assaulted you i mean i'm not saying that doesn't
00:34:59
suck but one bird pooped on my shoulder i don't
00:35:02
hate every bird exactly
00:35:06
you know what i mean where did that come from
00:35:13
did the bird actually poop on you i just never happened to me before
00:35:19
i was thinking you're speaking from personal experience of a bird actually
00:35:22
pooping on you that was just the example that came to my mind
00:35:29
we drank earlier were you done anyways yeah my next note is simon simon
00:35:37
okay so let's review the history of simon the new station incident
00:35:44
simon gets shot and can't use his legs they say
00:35:48
well you're staying here or we're killing you
00:35:52
simon is left behind and so the whole thing is like he can't use his legs
00:35:57
that's the whole pinnacle of oh no do we spare him or do we kill him
00:36:01
but then this guy shows up walking on legs
00:36:06
in jericho how what happened and the thing is he doesn't blame anyone
00:36:13
for not saving him and isn't annoyed by the fact that north
00:36:17
wanted to kill him and that i was i pointed the gun at him
00:36:21
and i decided not to i just don't i don't understand simon
00:36:29
i just yeah simon simon just threw me for a loop
00:36:33
sometime later we're in the city and we're walking around it sounds like
00:36:38
we're playing in something big right but then in the background you can hear
00:36:42
this woman saying why so you can stare at my
00:36:45
fucking android all night
00:36:52
i feel like they should have hired you as a voice actress
00:36:59
like her guy just wants to do the wants to do the android
00:37:04
it's just such a hilarious background line
00:37:09
the gang heads into the city to march i'm glad that you had a similar reaction
00:37:13
to me because i had in my notes please please
00:37:17
tell me i'm not the only one that finds this
00:37:19
cringy
00:37:23
the music is making things worse yes when they're marching all of a sudden
00:37:29
marcus gets started converting people telepathically
00:37:33
like what was the whole point of him touching other androids if you could do
00:37:37
it from afar i know is he just evolving like why does
00:37:41
he not send that signal out across the city across the nation what are
00:37:46
you doing but but they're not marching they're
00:37:50
marching
00:37:53
this cop cracks me up he's like the first one on the scene
00:37:58
and he goes i got a lot of androids down here
00:38:02
and then he goes they're marching
00:38:06
marching i cannot but then the march is interrupted when the
00:38:12
police arrive i guess he didn't get a permit
00:38:16
so but they tell them to disperse or they will open fire is that stupid gavin
00:38:22
was it oh well let me look go look go look go look
00:38:26
it is stupid face um so he gives them another warning wait
00:38:33
i gotta take a step back when they're marching
00:38:37
didn't they like raise their fist in the air or their arms in the air
00:38:41
was it before after this part i continue to
00:38:44
just cringe at this entire march scene i just every little thing about it i
00:38:50
can't name anything good coming out of the scene i
00:38:54
think perhaps the ultimate moment of cringe is when he says
00:38:58
are you really gonna fire on unarmed protesters
00:39:01
you are pulling that from the internet you have to be
00:39:05
you just have to you didn't learn this on your own
00:39:08
i don't believe it it's worse because it it happened before the george floyd
00:39:16
protests and it's just i just i feel insulted in a way
00:39:23
i played this game like right after that stuff happened
00:39:27
and i was like so uncomfortable i was like do i keep going
00:39:32
this just feels disrespectful yeah disrespectful the timing isn't their
00:39:39
fault but i think it's just paired with how
00:39:43
unoriginal the dialogue feels that just makes it feel
00:39:46
disrespectful and horribly horribly cringy and uncomfortable
00:39:51
i almost wanted to throw up from how uncomfortable this entire scene made me
00:39:54
i hide in my shirt like this when i see this scene
00:40:01
anyway let's move on okay gavin gives them another warning north of course
00:40:06
wants to attack them but no gavin gives them a third warning
00:40:11
at this point marcus decides they're gonna stay in their ground and then a
00:40:14
round of gunfire goes off killing some deviants
00:40:17
but public opinion goes up after that round of shots
00:40:21
gavin gives them one last chance and marcus decides oh
00:40:25
it's maybe it's time to disperse now but it seems gavin may have gotten another
00:40:30
order and they shoot at them anyway but i think that this is the best outcome
00:40:35
for public opinion which is what i was going for
00:40:39
but jericho takes a big dip in that relationship
00:40:43
yeah definitely because you choose to bring your people to danger only to
00:40:48
last minute become a coward and back off so i'm i i kind of want to see what
00:40:53
happens if he stayed like if marcus dies or anything
00:40:58
my goal was uh keep as many of them alive
00:41:01
while getting the most public opinion and i felt like
00:41:05
running in fear while being mowed down by gunfire
00:41:09
it's a pretty good way to get sympathy it sounds so bad
00:41:12
but it's true i'm so glad that's over i'm glad we're we're done talking
00:41:18
about it so i think i have a new theory for
00:41:22
this game so far with all the talks about the world war three breaking out
00:41:28
with the arctic war or whatever they're calling it
00:41:32
maybe that's just a parallel with the war that's brewing between humans and
00:41:37
androids i'm wondering if that's if we continue to
00:41:41
read magazines about it and then we continue to watch the
00:41:44
situation between androids and humans are they going to be
00:41:51
having two wars happening at the same time yeah
00:41:54
this is a game i played it i've played it three times i've seen it
00:41:58
other people play it like once or twice but i don't know it
00:42:01
that well this is not an outlast you know i don't know this game to the
00:42:08
to the extent that i know other games that we've played
00:42:10
so i'm still doing a lot of speculating as well so i'm excited to see where we
00:42:15
land because this is the first time that i've really considered
00:42:18
are they actually living in free will because i'm starting to doubt it
00:42:25
i feel like someone else has a plan here what if cyber
00:42:29
life's goal was to actually take over the world by pushing androids out
00:42:37
mass market them knowing that at some point they're going to become deviants
00:42:42
and then they'll have their own will when it's still somewhat under cyber
00:42:46
life's control they just don't realize that because they are still operating
00:42:50
under a code what if cyber life wants to take over the
00:42:53
world and cyber life will have at this point painted themselves as
00:42:57
the only ones you can trust to control the androids
00:43:01
anything else on part four or should we close it out
00:43:06
i think we should close it out if we start talking i'm just going to talk
00:43:09
about how cringy this the scene is so we'll tackle the
00:43:13
final part of gameplay next week we'll see how it ends
00:43:18
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