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In this episode, Connor is unsure of how to be disgusted, but he knows he should be.
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Hank needs a hangover helmet.
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And we see a familiar face at the sex club.
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And it's not Gavin.
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Alright, so it's November 6th, still the same day that we left off on last episode, 7.51pm.
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Connor meets with Amanda.
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He wanders around the garden for a while.
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It's now rainy.
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She asks him about the deviant and what he's learned, as well as his relationship with
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Hank.
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That was the longest walk ever just to get to Amanda.
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Like, she could have made things easier by standing closer.
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Yeah, she went as far away as possible.
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And then he brings an umbrella for her and walks with her with it.
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And then she just walks away from him at the end of the scene.
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But at the end of their interaction, she again says that they're pressed for time and is
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worried about the media finding out.
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So what do you think her top priority is?
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Is it like saving face for cyber life?
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Is it actually stopping the deviance?
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I think it's both.
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It's probably to either get cyber life to have more power in society so you have to
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make sure that you can demonstrate you're controlling things.
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Or the other theory is that she's actually taking down cyber life from the inside and
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she needs as much insider information as she can.
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I do want to also ask, do you think Connor looked nervous?
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Like he's worried that he's doing something wrong?
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I was trying to pick options that I feel like he is nervous, but he doesn't know why.
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And I think he's confused because of the increased software instability.
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At the end, Connor promises not to let her down and she gives him a new case.
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So Connor arrives at Hank's home to find that he's passed out on the kitchen floor.
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He breaks in and is confronted by Sumo, but thankfully he remembered that his name is
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Sumo, which puts the dog at ease a bit.
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And then Connor analyzes an unconscious Hank to discover he's been drinking a lot and we
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also see a gun in his hand.
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Honestly Hank looked like he was murdered.
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Like the first time I saw him I was like, oh my god, he's dead.
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It didn't look good.
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Yeah?
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He's just drunk.
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Did you find the slap as satisfying as I did?
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I knew you had enjoyed it.
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It was just, I don't know what it is.
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It was just satisfying.
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I think Connor enjoyed it a little bit after all the grief Hank gave him.
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Did you get to choose to slap him?
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Don't even have to feel bad about it.
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Scripted slap.
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So Connor servers Hank up much to Hank's discomfort.
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Connor has a line and I feel like it might have been sarcasm.
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He says thank you in advance for your cooperation when he helps Hank up off the floor.
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He's just getting so sarcastic with Hank.
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Well I also feel like he's learning from Hank on how to be sarcastic.
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We knew it was in him but I think being around Hank is just giving him that edge of sass.
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But eventually a somewhat more coherent Hank asks Connor what he's doing there.
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Connor explains that there's a new case.
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He has to tease Hank to get his interest but this does spur him on to get ready to go.
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Connor leaves to go get Hank some clothes and when he returns to the bathroom Hank's
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like over the toilet to throw up obviously.
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And the way that Connor looks at him is hilarious to me.
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I'll find it.
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Watch Connor's face.
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He's like concerned but also disgusted.
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He doesn't know what to do.
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So while waiting for Hank to get ready Connor snoops around and learns a few more details
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about him.
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Most importantly Hank was playing Russian roulette and then that he has a son who died
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in 2035 so around three years ago.
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I'm curious if Hank's son dying is either caused by red ice and then therefore pushing
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him to be part of the task force or if he died for unrelated cause when Hank was on
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the task force and that's why he despises his job or if his son's death was related
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to androids and that's why he really hates androids.
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I'm just curious how his son passed.
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And then the little smile that Connor does when Hank walks out all ready to go.
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Did you notice that?
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My note overall was Connor's relationship with Hank has been improving and I don't
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know if it's because of what he needs to do for Amanda or if it's just in general his
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relationship is getting better because he spends so much time together.
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Yeah.
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It's the part that's tricky to me and it really just depends how you respond when Amanda asks
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what to do about Hank.
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But in this playthrough Connor says that he's going to adapt to Hank's personality and so
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then you're wondering how much of this is Connor and how much of this is Connor adapting
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to Hank.
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But here's the thing Connor doesn't seem to at least right now in this scene do things
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because it's the right things to do.
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It seems like he's doing things because he wants to do it for Hank.
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Mmhmm.
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Cause he says that he needs him for the to solve the case but I agree and the smile especially
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makes me think that he likes helping him.
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So yeah Hank is ready and they head out and Sumo stays home to watch some basketball.
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Anything else before scene two?
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Mmhmm.
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8 o'clock pm we're back to Marcus who leads members of Jericho on a mission to steal parts
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and blue blood from the Cyberlife warehouse.
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During the robbery a worker android finds and confronts them and when a human starts
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to approach looking for it Marcus decides to grab it and hide.
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In doing so Marcus is seemingly able to convert the android into a deviant.
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What are your reactions to creating a deviant?
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I guess I didn't think much about it.
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I was just like oh okay you can convert it and I don't know if it's because he himself
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is a deviant and has the power of influence to make non-deviants?
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Deviants?
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I don't really get it because I don't know if just he has this ability or what because
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we've seen him and Kara have to break through their code so there's like work to it a little
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bit right?
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There's the emotional shock so is he just artificially giving them an emotional shock
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or is there another way to be deviant?
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I think because Marcus and Kara were on their own they just needed emotion to break through
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but because this guy the security guard wasn't on his own he just didn't have the emotion
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to trigger his own breakthrough the walls kind of situation so maybe deviants can spread
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it to other ones?
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We just haven't seen any example of anyone else doing it so I think maybe that's a second
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way of creating deviants.
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And then the group is hesitant when John the first droid that he converted wants to go
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with them.
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Marcus says that they should all, all the new converts should come with them.
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It feels wrong to convert them and then say that they can't come.
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I can see where they're coming from because they want to stick to the plan and they just
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don't want to take on any risk but at the same time though they are also going to be
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fighting for the same cause that you are and it seems a bit cruel to just leave them behind.
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As a result of trusting John he tells them that they can steal a truck which will have
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a lot of parts in it.
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So Marcus takes the risk to steal the truck and succeeds.
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So they get back to Jericho with all the supplies and Marcus gives a speech.
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He says that they're alive and he intends to make the humans see that.
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Marcus wants to see the world burn based on that speech.
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Here's where I have issues and I feel like it kind of takes away from the whole Marcus
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storyline because I think a lot of what he says is very like, you almost wonder if it's
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AI generated because it's so kind of cliche like when he says the right to smile and stand
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tall.
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I think the humans are okay if you smile.
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Some of the dialogue is just so, I don't know, it's kind of cringy and it almost makes me
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wonder if they're hinting at some of it being AI.
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Like how much of their knowledge is learned versus AI learned.
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Like real world versus artificial intelligence.
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And it might just be that the writing is not very good.
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I don't think the writing was ever that good.
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The dialogue is okay.
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It's mostly with Marcus.
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With Marcus's and we'll see more examples of it.
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This is kind of the first one.
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I think it's because it's to want to be like a movie, like a hero saves the day kind of
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speech.
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Yeah.
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Okay, scene three.
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Back to Connor and Hank.
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It is 8 17 p.m. now.
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They arrive at the Eden Club, which is an Android brothel for humans.
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And I love the detail of Hank hitting his head, getting out of the car.
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It's so human.
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So they arrive at the scene and stupid dumb Gavin is already there.
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In the room we see a dead guy on the bed and a dead decommissioned Android on the floor.
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Why is there this kind of club?
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At least there's both guys and girls.
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But still, it's not very necessary to have this kind of murder in this kind of location.
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I think they'll be a little bit more later.
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That will make it make more sense.
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Okay.
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But also later, Connor asks Hank to rent one of the androids.
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And I think it said it was like a was it a 30 minute session or?
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Yeah, for like 30 bucks.
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That's doesn't seem that expensive.
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So think about how many people are coming here for them to be making money.
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Like it's it's gross.
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Imagine just mass spreading of AIDS.
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Yeah, how do they?
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Oh, there's so much I have so many questions that I don't want the answers to.
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So Connor investigates the Android and he gets caught this time licking the blood and
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Hank gets disgusted at him again.
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I just love how Hank is freaking out about it.
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It's just too good.
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And then we also discover that multiple parts and the Android are critically damaged.
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When he investigates the man we learned his name is Michael Graham and that there are
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signs of strangulation.
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Connor reconstructs the scene to discover he did not die of a heart attack as Gavin thought.
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He was indeed strangled.
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They realize that they must be missing information.
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So they decide that Connor needs to try to read the Android's memory.
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To do so he has to reactivate her which leaves them with limited time after she wakes up.
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When she does awaken she's very clearly terrified.
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But Connor is able to get some information out of her.
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We learn that the man started hitting her.
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She did not kill him and that there was another Android in the room.
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I get kind of mad again in this scene because how is it that androids don't have the right
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to self-defense?
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I'm starting to see it from Marcus's perspective of why they're really fighting for their own
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rights.
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Based off of what we've learned I think it is a crime to damage androids.
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I think we see that when Marcus gets jumped.
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Oh yeah.
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But I think that they're just not programmed to be violent even if that includes self-defense.
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I totally forgot about the when Marcus got jumped.
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I forgot about that scene.
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So it is I guess the first step in the right direction to have some kind of protection
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for androids.
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Yeah and I don't know that it's necessarily like it's a law for the Android versus it's
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probably more it's a law for the owner.
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And it's sort of like a property damage kind of kind of way.
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Connor thinks that it could still be in the building so he starts connecting to the memory
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of multiple androids tracking down the path of the blue-haired Tracy that left the room.
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This is like the second time Hank feels like Connor's just bringing him here for the sexy
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androids.
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Because when Connor first asks him to rent the Android for him he goes.
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And then he later starts complaining how it's going to be one of the most expensive investigations
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because he keeps having to pay for these androids.
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But again only 30 bucks.
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And then when they first arrive he reads the sign out front that says sexiest androids
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in town and goes now I know why you wanted to come here.
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I just love when he messes with Connor.
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Okay before we find the Tracy again we're connecting to all the memory of androids.
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He connects to one androids memory and we see a familiar face.
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So I'm gonna show you.
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Do you recognize him?
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He's not even perusing he's with he's he's rented this Android.
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Who is that?
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I'll show you who it is.
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Oh.
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It's the cop that made not leto stop attacking Marcus in part one.
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That's why he appreciates androids.
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So eventually we follow the path and track down the blue haired Tracy to a back room.
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And Connor and Hank get jumped by two androids.
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The confrontation eventually ends and a choice for Connor shoot or spare the Android attacking
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him.
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I choose to shoot it which results in a big decrease in software instability.
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Reactions I kind of wanted you to not shoot them and
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for Connor to just lose the fight because I want to see how far we can push Connor into
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just being software and stable.
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I wanted to see him get emotional.
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But I also noticed that during this entire time Connor's personality was really different
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than what he normally is.
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He was like rushed and he was panicking I guess.
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I get he was in a fight but it also didn't seem like the cool calm collected Connor that
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we've seen throughout this game so far.
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I think it's what you were talking about when he was with Amanda.
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He's nervous he knows that time is running out and if he doesn't do his job there is
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a good chance that he will be replaced.
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So I made this choice for a variety of reasons.
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First one is I think in this moment after just talking to Amanda Connor is refocused
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in kind of a more frantic way of I need to accomplish my mission.
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Also because I wanted something to balance out saving Hank because I feel like Connor
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still conflicted like we've been discussing.
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And I also think the rest of the way that the scene plays out has an effect on Connor
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that I like.
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So I guess let's finish out the scene.
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The two androids are seemingly in love and the surviving one does not want to live without
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the destroyed one and she uses Connor's gun to shoot herself.
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And after seeing this there is a big decrease in Hank and Connor's relationship and there
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was a decrease in software instability when he chose to shoot her as well.
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If the situations were reversed where Hank was the one who was doing the fighting do
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you think Hank would have shot the androids?
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Because in this situation Hank almost feels bad for the androids and looks like he wants
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them to just for them to just leave them alone.
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Is that the feeling you got while watching it?
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I think there's a lot of complicated things going on here.
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Number one, I don't think that this is entirely on Connor because they did jump them.
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They're being very aggressive.
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So you could even argue self-defense in this instance.
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They were trying to escape.
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Hank says they're getting away.
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Don't let them get away.
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So I don't think Hank wants them to go free more because of his job.
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It's more the reaction of the living android after the first one is destroyed that has
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an effect on both Hank and Connor.
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Connor is really affected by this whole scene.
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Makes sense if his software instability actually went up because he looked horrified at what
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just happened.
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So I actually was surprised to see it going down instead of going up and I don't really
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understand why it would not go up.
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I think it made sense for it to go down initially when he neutralized the one, but after seeing
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the suicide I feel like it should have went back up a little bit.
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If Andres could have PTSD, I think he would have some PTSD.
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Yeah.
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Poor Connor.
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Moving on, it's now November 7th, 102 a.m.
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Kara, Luther, and Alice are headed towards the Canadian border.
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In the car, Kara tunes into the news to hear a report about her and we see that public
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opinion takes another dip.
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Soon their car breaks down and they have to seek shelter nearby at an abandoned pirate
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themed amusement park.
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This entire location just feels way too creepy.
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It's really uncomfortable.
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Like the pirate theme.
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How do you have a pirate themed amusement park in Michigan?
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Of all places in Michigan.
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It's just, I don't know, it doesn't sit right.
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Eventually Kara is putting Alice to bed, which by the way, it's freezing out.
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I bet Alice is feeling better about having that coat they stole.
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I wrote that too.
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So she puts Alice to bed and she wants Kara to tell her a bedtime story and she starts
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telling their story.
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And I like that she says that they decided to run away together and conveniently leaves
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out the part about killing Todd.
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I mean, I would leave that part out too if I was telling a story.
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Yeah.
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Well, Alice also just pretty much asked Kara about like, oh, it's all sort of together,
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right?
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And I'm pretty sure Connor's about to destroy Alice's dream about staying together with
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Kara.
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Gonna kidnap Alice to draw Kara in.
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That would be good.
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Imagine letting Alice watch him shoot Kara.
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It's not the first time you've brought this up.
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I forgot about it.
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It's very likely possibility.
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You're very worried about this happening.
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I am.
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I'm stressed.
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After putting Alice to bed, Kara and Luther talk.
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She asks him about RE9 and he says, RE9 was the first of us to awaken.
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One day he will rise up and lead our people and set us all free.
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I guess this is dumb questions.
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Don't make fun of me.
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Does that mean they're all part of like RE9's descendants?
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I guess because of the way evolution works for our androids, like they take the model
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and then keep upgrading it.
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Maybe there is a fault.
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I guess is there a component of RE9 that stays with androids up until generation after generation
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of making them?
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I don't know.
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The question that we had answered is when did RE9 awaken?
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Because I don't know.
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It seems like any model can pretty much become deviant from what we've seen.
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I don't know if that answers your question.
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Yeah.
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I guess also, how did they all know about RE9?
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Right.
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It's a good question.
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To me, and we'll talk about it later, to me it seems like something that was intentionally
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put in their code.
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Continuing in their conversation, Luther asks Kara if she's ever noticed anything about
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Alice.
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Kara says she's not sure what he means, but then they're interrupted by banging on the
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doors before we're able to hear anymore of what Luther is going to say.
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A horde of androids bust in.
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They're coming in real hot, but it turns out they just want Alice to ride the carousel.
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It's really creepy.
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It's a very aggressive invitation.
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The Jerry has that clown energy, like the circus clown type.
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It's uncomfortable.
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It makes you uncomfortable.
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I also don't like how every single android in this amusement park is the same android.
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I don't know.
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They got a bulk discount maybe.
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And then Kara says of Alice riding the carousel, that's the first time I've seen her smile.
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She hasn't had a reason to smile with a father like that.
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I bet she wouldn't be smiling as much if she was freezing without that coat though.
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Anything before scene five?
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Alright, November 7th, 1.19am, Connor is in Hank's car, likely waiting for Hank who is
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sitting in the park in front of him, and he eventually decides to get out to go join him.
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When he walks up, Hank says, nice view, huh?
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I used to come here a lot before.
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And then Connor says, before what?
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And Hank says, before nothing.
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I think it's before his son died, obviously.
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Connor then asks him why he's so determined to kill himself, and he responds, some things
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I just can't forget.
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Whatever I do, they're always there, beating away at me.
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I don't have the guts to pull the trigger, so I kill myself a little every day.
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That's probably difficult for you to understand, huh, Connor?
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Nothing very rational about it.
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I like the way he ends that quote with saying that there's nothing rational about it.
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I think it's also an opportunity for Hank to continue to push Connor to have some more
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emotions.
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I'm starting to feel like Hank wants Connor to have some more empathy, especially after
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the whole shooting of the two androids from the club.
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That seems to have affected him a bit, and something you said just made me wonder if-
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because earlier you mentioned where's the mother of his child?
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And I'm wondering if Hank's just kind of been alone since the death of his son.
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Connor's the closest relationship he has right now other than sumo.
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So I think he's maybe even kind of, like you said, trying to get him to have more empathy
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because he might want someone just to talk to.
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I'm kind of liking Hank a lot more than before.
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Yeah, he's opening up more.
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He's being more vulnerable, starting to trust Connor more.
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Connor changes the topic to the investigation.
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He says that they're making no progress and none of the deviants have anything in common.
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All they have to go on is the obsession with the RA9 myth, something they invented that
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wasn't part of their original program, he says.
00:25:30
Does this go back to can they create their own code or is it a virus?
00:25:36
It's also a virus.
00:25:38
Connor can tell that Hank isn't quite with it and Hank goes on to talk about the two
00:25:43
androids from the eating club saying they just wanted to be together.
00:25:48
And Connor responds they didn't want anything, they're deviants, end of story.
00:25:53
Hank then says, what about you, Connor?
00:25:55
You look human, you sound human, but what are you really?
00:25:59
And this is when I choose the defensive option, which is, you know exactly what I am.
00:26:05
In any case, I don't see how that's relevant to the investigation.
00:26:09
And I had a note in here about why I chose this option, because I figured you'd ask me.
00:26:16
And I think Connor would be defensive because he's confused at this point.
00:26:25
And I think that he's scared that he's confused.
00:26:28
He's starting to realize but not wanting to admit that he's getting closer to deviancy.
00:26:35
That makes sense.
00:26:36
You totally knew I was going to ask that question now that I hear about it.
00:26:40
And I think it tracks with the conversation that he had with Amanda in the beginning.
00:26:46
It does.
00:26:48
Hank asks, did you feel anything when that girl killed herself, Connor?
00:26:53
And then to your point in the last part, you noted how Hank was saying it instead of she,
00:27:01
but now he's saying that girl.
00:27:03
But Connor is saying it.
00:27:08
So that's the thing is they kind of switched.
00:27:11
I think Hank started going back to his more humane side while Connor is trying to really
00:27:20
distance himself.
00:27:21
The opening of this game, it seems more cut and dry like that this deviant is just dangerous.
00:27:28
They didn't really do anything to him.
00:27:31
But now we're seeing that these androids were assaulted.
00:27:35
And so they're more of like the innocent party in this situation, but they still ended up
00:27:40
destroyed.
00:27:42
So I think that's kind of what both of them are now seeing is deviants don't automatically
00:27:47
equal bad murderous.
00:27:50
They have reasons.
00:27:51
And it also goes from Connor wanting to help the deviants that we see in earlier scenes
00:27:57
to being okay with killing them, even though it's probably self defense, but still he's
00:28:03
okay with killing them instead of giving them another option.
00:28:08
In response to Hank's question of did you feel anything when that girl killed herself,
00:28:12
I choose the disturbed option, which is I was just executing instructions.
00:28:16
I did what I had to do.
00:28:18
And then this results in a big spike in software instability, which is why I like the option
00:28:24
of killing them because now I feel like in this scene, it's Connor having to reconcile
00:28:29
with what he did and how he feels about it.
00:28:32
Well, it tracks because most of us were in denial in that first stage.
00:28:38
So maybe that's what it was that he's finally going through the process and he realizes
00:28:43
that he screwed up.
00:28:44
Yeah, not necessarily screw up, but that it wasn't as black and white as it seemed maybe.
00:28:51
But then things get a little heated.
00:28:54
Hank pulls a gun on Connor and says, but are you afraid to die, Connor?
00:28:58
And he responds, I would certainly find it regrettable to be interrupted before I can
00:29:03
finish this investigation.
00:29:05
Another spike in instability.
00:29:07
So this, the way he words this response is so good because we see that he doesn't want
00:29:13
to die, but he hides that under the guise of I need to finish my mission.
00:29:20
I was thinking that because it's a lie, that's why his software instability is going up because
00:29:27
Androids, I'm assuming, aren't supposed to lie or they're not programmed to do so.
00:29:32
And pretty much he just lied.
00:29:35
Or he doesn't even know what the truth is.
00:29:38
He knows that it would be regrettable, but he doesn't really know why.
00:29:41
And the only logical reason he can find is because he has to finish the investigation.
00:29:45
He then asks Connor, how do I know you're not a deviant?
00:29:50
And Connor says, I self test regularly.
00:29:52
I know what I am and what I am not.
00:29:56
And then Hank leaves to go get drunk, leaving a conflicted and confused Connor behind.
00:30:01
Any thoughts?
00:30:02
Well, first, before you give me your thoughts, I'm not positive, but I'm pretty sure in
00:30:07
my original playthrough, Hank actually shot Connor.
00:30:11
Shot Connor.
00:30:12
Really?
00:30:13
I am pretty sure, yeah.
00:30:14
Can we watch that version during our summary episode or something?
00:30:20
We will.
00:30:21
We will.
00:30:22
Yeah.
00:30:23
I feel like because Hank left, he almost feels like he's giving up on trying to make Connor
00:30:29
see the light of the fact that him shooting those two girls is not okay.
00:30:36
And Hank just realizes that Connor's lying to himself and he's not going to push him
00:30:41
anymore.
00:30:42
I think he can see that Connor is confused and has regret, but he's also trying to let
00:30:50
Connor in.
00:30:52
And I think maybe even that makes him uncomfortable when he realizes that, hey, I kind of like
00:30:56
talking to Connor.
00:30:57
Yeah.
00:30:58
Especially his persona he put up was so anti-android.
00:31:04
Now 924 AM, Marcus leads the members of Jericho in hijacking a news broadcast to make an announcement.
00:31:12
First thing we need to talk about are his clothes in this scene.
00:31:16
I want people to dress like this all the time.
00:31:19
It does look like a three-piece suit with a trench jacket over it.
00:31:22
And the pants are cool how they cut in the middle of the shoe.
00:31:26
It's just cool.
00:31:28
Whoever designed the clothes in this game did a great job.
00:31:31
My first note was the front desk.
00:31:35
Do you think that he converted her or was it a temporary lapse in her memory that he
00:31:41
needs to get in and is like, I need your help kind of situation?
00:31:43
I don't know if he fully converts her.
00:31:45
Yeah, that's a good question because based on the last time we saw him do this with the
00:31:51
four androids at the warehouse, I feel like he fully converts them.
00:31:57
But we don't have proof of that, especially in this instance.
00:32:01
For some reason, something feels a little bit wrong about him just walking up to anti-android
00:32:08
and converting them because it's kind of putting them at risk.
00:32:13
You know what I mean?
00:32:15
But he needs to get his mission accomplished and that means sacrificing some of these people,
00:32:21
these androids happiness.
00:32:24
Something about it doesn't sit quite right with me, but I'm not sure what.
00:32:30
Marcus and North both swing into this room from outside and he goes, you okay?
00:32:37
That's responses.
00:32:38
Why wouldn't I be?
00:32:42
I don't know why, but her response just irritates me.
00:32:46
He's just being nice.
00:32:48
I thought that she had a crush on Marcus just because of the way she was acting during when
00:32:54
they're breaking into cyber security's base.
00:32:58
So I was a bit taken aback because I totally thought that, oh, she might start flirting
00:33:02
with him, but she doesn't.
00:33:05
It's that I'm with you.
00:33:07
Speaking of North though, they're deciding what to do about the two front desk people
00:33:13
at the news broadcast room.
00:33:15
And North is just like, let's just kill them.
00:33:17
Like, let's just kill them.
00:33:20
I'm like, no, we're not doing that.
00:33:22
So I select ruse and it does not go well because I don't know.
00:33:28
I feel like a ruse does not equal drawing a gun and it was like the only option was
00:33:33
to draw a gun, so I just stood there.
00:33:35
I think that game really encourages you to shoot them.
00:33:39
It does.
00:33:40
And I didn't want to.
00:33:41
I was like, I'm sure that this group of four androids can figure out a way to distract
00:33:46
these people.
00:33:47
And I thought a ruse would be a ruse, not a threat.
00:33:51
But apparently I was wrong.
00:33:52
And so then Simon gets shot, but he seems okay.
00:33:55
The time being for now, they then break into the broadcast room and give their list of
00:34:01
demands.
00:34:03
And then when Marcus takes off his face, his skin, it bothers me so much that like the
00:34:09
water lines on his eyes are still skin.
00:34:14
I didn't catch that, but I can see why it would bother you.
00:34:18
It irritates me.
00:34:19
Okay, I think you had notes on his speech.
00:34:23
Oh, the my notes are more just like, good job, Leah, for choosing the right things because
00:34:30
it was pretty close.
00:34:31
Like the things that I would choose were the ones that you chose.
00:34:34
And it's great.
00:34:35
It is still very generic in terms of what you expect from any movie character.
00:34:42
But still, good job.
00:34:44
I have another note about North, but I don't know what she says.
00:34:50
Oh, that's because she wants Simon to just die.
00:34:56
So they're pretty quickly raided, so they run to the roof and their plan is to jump
00:35:02
off with parachutes, but Simon's too injured to go on.
00:35:07
Which I don't agree.
00:35:08
He does not look to be that injured.
00:35:11
And do you need legs to hang in the air?
00:35:14
You just need arms, right?
00:35:15
To operate a parachute, right?
00:35:18
I feel like they could have just put his parachute on, thrown him over the ledge.
00:35:22
Or they could have just piggybacked, give him a piggyback ride because he can have his
00:35:27
arms and his legs can move to just cling on to the waist of whoever he's jumping off the
00:35:32
building with.
00:35:34
I decide to leave him after it's clear that Simon doesn't want to die.
00:35:38
Initially, I was like, sure, let's kill him.
00:35:41
They're going to get into his memory.
00:35:43
But we've seen Connor be able to access memory of destroyed androids at other points.
00:35:48
So we'll just let him live.
00:35:52
Which I'm kind of realizing this doesn't make sense because I'll just spoil it a little
00:35:57
bit.
00:35:58
In the next scene, you have to choose between either, as Connor, going to the roof to investigate
00:36:02
or going to the break room to analyze the droids.
00:36:06
If you go to the roof, we find out that Simon has moved.
00:36:09
So I guess he just army crawled his way.
00:36:13
Then he could crawl himself over the edge.
00:36:16
You didn't army crawl fast enough to get away.
00:36:19
You didn't army crawl any faster to get over here than you could have over there.
00:36:22
So either way, if a human came through that door, you're caught.
00:36:26
I think we found a plot hole.
00:36:28
Are plot holes really surprising for David Cage game?
00:36:32
No.
00:36:33
They leave Simon and they jump off the roof and we see lots of news broadcasts in the
00:36:39
wake of this event.
00:36:40
And this results in a big increase in public opinion.
00:36:44
So anything else on scene six for you?
00:36:47
No.
00:36:48
Okay.
00:36:49
Moving on to the final scene.
00:36:52
It's November 8th at 4 or 6 p.m.
00:36:54
We're back to Amanda.
00:36:56
She says, I thought you might enjoy a little cruise as she's saying in a rowboat.
00:37:01
But she then proceeds to make Connor row.
00:37:04
So I think you thought you might enjoy a little cruise, not Connor.
00:37:10
She says to Connor, you seem lost, Connor, lost and perturbed.
00:37:20
Perturbed?
00:37:22
No.
00:37:24
No, of course not.
00:37:28
Why would I be perturbed?
00:37:30
Which results in a spike in software instability.
00:37:34
It's because Connor's in a bit of a dilemma where he doesn't know how much to share with
00:37:39
Amanda when he may have been programmed to be pretty transparent with her.
00:37:44
So because of that, that's what pushes his software instability up.
00:37:49
I think so too.
00:37:50
I think he's not being honest with Amanda for the first time.
00:37:53
And I think she might even kind of notice because she kind of does a little like squint
00:37:57
at him.
00:37:59
And then she says, if your investigation doesn't make progress soon, I might have to replace
00:38:03
you Connor.
00:38:05
And he goes, I know I will succeed.
00:38:07
All I need is time.
00:38:08
So he ends it on a confident note, which I felt like was the right thing to do.
00:38:12
Kind of, you know, tamper Amanda a little bit.
00:38:16
And then we cut to Connor and Hank in the elevator and Connor's flipping his coin.
00:38:21
And then Hank took, he took it.
00:38:24
He took, he stole Connor's coin.
00:38:26
Again, the annoyed dad vibes.
00:38:30
So rude.
00:38:32
So they arrive at the news station to investigate the Android heist, I guess.
00:38:37
The FBI is here and this guy seems like a butt head.
00:38:41
He says to Hank, you sure you want an Android hanging around?
00:38:45
Everything that happened.
00:38:47
Definitely the death of his child may be related to an Android issue.
00:38:54
It's starting to seem that way.
00:38:57
Connor starts investigating and watches the broadcast video.
00:39:01
Hank says, think that's RA9 and Connor responds, deviants say RA9 will set them free.
00:39:06
This Android seems to have that objective.
00:39:09
Any thoughts on Marcus being RA9?
00:39:13
I feel like in this part, RA9 might not even be a thing.
00:39:20
It might be like a process that it's the conversion into being a deviant that they go to that
00:39:29
is RA9 and maybe that's the trigger to get more people to be deviants.
00:39:36
So I'm not even convinced RA9 is a person, a place or a thing right now.
00:39:43
We also see a reflection in Marcus' pupil, which teaches Connor that he had accomplices.
00:39:51
And then we scan, I think the serial number, and we see that Marcus is an RK200 prototype
00:39:59
and that he was a gift from Elijah Kamsky to Karl Manfred.
00:40:04
Hank says anything else I should know?
00:40:06
Because Connor doesn't reveal this part about the prototype and Marcus being a gift.
00:40:12
And Connor says no, but he kind of hesitates and looks a little weirded out.
00:40:18
Like Connor, what?
00:40:20
What's going on?
00:40:21
Do you think he's freaked out because he's also an RK model?
00:40:24
I think so.
00:40:25
I think he's having the identity crisis that's not just am I a deviant or am I an Android
00:40:31
that does great work.
00:40:32
It's that can I become a deviant because I share so many similar attributes as these
00:40:39
other ones.
00:40:41
His reaction right there just weirds me out.
00:40:43
Something's up with him.
00:40:45
And then while continuing to investigate around the station, Connor's interrupted when a cop
00:40:50
asks if he remembers him.
00:40:52
Turns out that he is the cop whose life Connor saved at the start of the game.
00:40:57
And the cop says I could have died on that terrace, but you saved my life.
00:41:00
I never thought I'd say this to an Android, but thank you.
00:41:03
And then Connor's slight smile and nod is great.
00:41:07
Connor appreciates being an Android more because he's only been dealing with androids that
00:41:13
aren't doing their best work and they aren't doing what they're meant to do.
00:41:18
So for him to have done what he was supposed to do and then getting thanked for it and
00:41:24
seeing that there's still good people out there who appreciate androids.
00:41:29
I think it's going to give him like a warm hug kind of feeling.
00:41:33
Yeah.
00:41:34
Connor then interrogates three identical station androids, one of which they know is a deviant
00:41:40
because they helped the Jericho people.
00:41:44
Connor is able to narrow down to the correct one, which is pretty obvious.
00:41:48
He's really eyeballing Connor.
00:41:51
And then this deviant attacks Connor and makes a run for it.
00:41:55
Number one, why is there a giant knife in the break room?
00:42:01
Number two, of everything that we've seen so far, everything that Connor's gone up
00:42:06
against, this is the just like lamest Android to take Connor down.
00:42:10
Like he's just standing here.
00:42:12
How does Connor let him get the jump on him?
00:42:14
You would think Connor would be a better fighter since everything that has happened in this
00:42:18
game.
00:42:19
Yeah, I don't know.
00:42:21
Maybe the fact that he let him get the jump on him is sort of an indication that he's
00:42:25
becoming more deviant and he's less perfect.
00:42:29
Yeah.
00:42:30
But he is able to recover and runs after the deviant, making a split second decision to
00:42:35
take a cop's gun and shoot it, which apparently saves Hank's life.
00:42:39
Did you know that it's going to help further your relationship with Hank?
00:42:43
No, honestly, my first playthrough for this recording, which is the first time I've played
00:42:48
the game in years, that was just the first one I picked.
00:42:51
And I was like, that's kind of a cool clip.
00:42:53
It's a cool scene, so I just decided to do it again.
00:42:57
And then at the end of the scene, we see that Simon is alive and undisturbed and hiding with
00:43:03
his legs that apparently don't work.
00:43:06
Yeah.
00:43:07
Well, anything else for part three?
00:43:11
That's it for me.
00:43:13
All right.
00:43:14
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