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Merry Christmas our scary Christmas. Hope everyone had a great day yesterday and today
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Excited to be done
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Final game final episode besides our wrap-up. Yes
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We're excited. It's been a crazy year. We're ready to regroup
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Let's just do the out-of-context summary then I admit they're not the best
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They're not the best this time in this episode. We end up on the Tower of Terror
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Gordon officially loses it all of it and you Suzanne
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She tries to leave us
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Multiple times like she's all for it. I'm glad Abe doesn't end up with her
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But well situation is is worse off
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Thank you for coming back from our replay reviews, my name is Leah and my name is Kathy
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We are two friends who are here to replay review and analyze your favorite video games and since Kathy has never seen the games before
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It helps me view them through her fresh eyes almost like I'm discovering them again for the first time
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We hope will be a similar experience for you
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We pick up where we left off with a David having jump scared us
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He leads us somewhere through through the sanatorium on the way. He mentions that somebody called the cops
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I'm very curious who called the cops whoever called the cops. They really should warn them about
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these
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Wendigos and these crazy things happening. I
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Assumed that the cops were called because of the mistreatment
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But I don't know now you raise a good point was this prayer post to when to go I don't know and
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And then further along we also see the same when to go video that we saw as Mike from until dawn
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I like seeing all the old like the old stuff
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We see a couple notes later on that we saw from until dawn
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Some locations that we've seen
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It's a great tie between the two games that if you didn't know they're related that connection is a great refresher
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David takes us to Bragg's office where Bragg Suzanne and dr. Gordon are
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What the heck?
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Where did he come from and we thought he died like right? That's your reaction. Not that he's a doctor
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well
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Yeah, but at the same I mean like I
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Thought he was dead and now he shows up as a doctor and then yeah thing is that this is the guy who
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Looked terrible like he looks sick. The guy was starving
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This is why I question how long our cell door has been open because like you said he doesn't look as
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Horrible
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Yeah, as you did when we last saw him, but then later Suzanne will say something about to him about like oh you must be malnourished
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I don't think it's been
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Months since he got out. I don't think it's been weeks
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But I think he's it's maybe been days since he got out and we've just been losing our mind in ourselves still
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About dr. Gordon Bragg says the deception was necessary
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Was it and he also says I thought I could write the ship so seems to me like he knows he he did some things
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Incorrectly, I want to know what he's thinking is wrong. Like did he know that these people
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Would become when to go like you know what I'm saying is that what do you think was wrong my first reaction?
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I think he saw the direction that things were heading that like these miners were
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Getting too strong to be contained and he thought he could control it
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Maybe he thought he could make it better, but he was too stupid to realize that this is not an illness
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Okay, so they decide they should go to the chapel, but Bragg doesn't want to leave Suzanne tries to convince him a bit
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Why does she going on there? Yeah, she in love with them or something
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Maybe that's why she turned Abe down so quickly. Yeah something about it
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We're going to leave and as dr. Gordon
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I don't know I keep saying it like that as he walks out Bragg says to him be careful with your chart
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The right information at the wrong time can turn apples to sad
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What I'm still confused by that. I don't know and Gordon's reaction is kind of what I think ours is
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I don't know what the hell that's supposed to mean. Yeah, don't forget who's really responsible for all this
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Did Gordon choose to like volunteer to be locked in there or do you think he was forced?
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I think he drew the short straw
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That's my impression a doctor had to go in there and it just happened to fall on him
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throughout this entire
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Walking through the maze finding the doctor having these conversations we get
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Moments of like random blackouts with the weird like a swooshing
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echoey sound I
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Don't know what that is. Do you think it's just him still being malnourished and
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just trying to make it through but suffering mental lapse of of something
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We hear like quotes that we've heard
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especially in the flashbacks
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It seems like it's quotes from those. So I think it's whatever the treatment they were doing to like
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Erase his memory. I think it's the effects of that sort of wearing
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Off maybe and he's starting to remember things on the way to the chapel. We find the same note carved into the wall that we saw an until dawn
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The how many days will they keep us here? The number of days tallied on the wall is nine
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That gives us a little help with our timeline
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Anything before we have to cross to the chapel? Nope
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So soon we have to cross out of the chapel
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To the chapel facing a wendigo on the way but before we cross we see a flashback showing brag leaving the chapel saying
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stuff of nonsense
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Once in the chapel we meet ted ted mosley a father who tells us about the wendigo and that brag didn't believe him about them
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He says of the hospital staff they still don't believe him
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They still think it's an infection and he also makes it sound like there's a bunch of people who are alive who are in like the admin room
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So there's
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More people than just the five that we see here
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Any other reactions so far to this to this moment to father mosley?
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I kind of trust him like compared to the rest of the people
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I didn't the fact that he
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Knew that building here wasn't a good idea. He tried to warn people that immediately just strikes trust between
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Us as the players in him
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He seems to care about what happens to us and he's not being stupid and pretending like he this isn't something bigger than
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Than them that they can control stupid tests and stuff
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Wandering around the chapel. We jump start another flashback, which shows the
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Mentioned conversation disagreement that uh father mosley talked about between him and brag. He's warning brag that he's playing with fire
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We go to sleep. We wake up to see that the police have arrived
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And they're shooting everyone one of them says something about you can't just shoot into a crowd like that. So
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Oops, i'm confused. Like my first reaction was like, oh no, the wendigo is how do you know that?
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And then they're shooting them, but then it's like it's not and then it confirms that they're doing something
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Bad when ted asks us to help open the door
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And david just yells right after we watch the police shoot down a woman and
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There's part of me that's wondering. Oh, he's trying to put her out of her misery. But at the same time it's
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It's not like they're trying to kill her
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It's done with malicious intent with everyone around them. I think it's a combination
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Okay based off of what we hear we hear wendigo's
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Shrieking and stuff and screaming people screaming. So I think what happened is the police arrive. There's survivors. Then there's wendigo
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They just shoot into the crowd and
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Innocent people get shot including this nurse because we hear
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The police are like, oh my god, they're shooting me
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They really are. So wendigo, they just shoot into the crowd and
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Innocent people get shot including this nurse because we hear her like
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in pain, they shoot her partially out of putting her out of her misery, but partially because
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She saw that they just shot people whether or not it was on purpose
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And then when david is an idiot
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And blows our cover we get shot up because now we're witnesses
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that they're like, oh shit, we gotta clean this up
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and double down on the mess.
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Yeah.
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Our group makes a run for it after getting shot at.
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We eventually make it to the tunnels to catch our breath.
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And this is where Gordon starts to just really lose it.
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He's convinced he's hearing voices.
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No one else hears them.
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And then he's kinda agitated,
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shoves Father Mosley and just takes off.
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We follow as the police are trying
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to break the door down behind us.
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I guess we fell and hit our heads,
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so we're kind of slow to get up.
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And Suzanne is like, you know, we could just leave you here.
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Come on, shut up, Suzanne.
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Suzanne.
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Why was she so eager to save Braggs,
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but so eager to let us die?
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Yeah, exactly.
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Come on, Suzanne.
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They mention Victor a lot as they're walking
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through the tunnels towards the hotel.
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He looks familiar from Until Dawn.
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Who is he?
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I couldn't remember who he was from Until Dawn.
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And I'm starting to get more bits and pieces
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as we watch the game and as he shows up in more memories.
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But yeah, I don't know.
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Okay, so he's Victor Milgram,
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who you'll remember from the articles, the Hotel Janitor.
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Yeah, the Janitor didn't have a burning question about him.
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Yeah, and it was like, who is he, what is this?
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And my answer was, maybe we'll find out more,
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but I think he's just like Josh's character,
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which I still think is true because in the flashbacks,
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he's wearing a similar overalls to Josh.
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So I think Josh is still kind of using that story,
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which is a true story, but using it as his movie script,
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prank script as his villain.
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Because he does set Victor up as someone
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who could be the potential killer
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to all these mysterious events happening in Until Dawn.
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So I could see where you're going with it.
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And I do have some more questions about him.
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We're gonna learn a lot more about him pretty quickly.
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So we see more familiar locations on our way.
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We find a newspaper which unlocks another memory.
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A man, which we now know as Victor says,
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I'm telling you, this sort of press
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really gets on the bright skin.
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I'd advise you to be careful.
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Reactions yet, or are we holding them?
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Let's hold them, I'm gonna bunch them.
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Okay.
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We then soon happen upon Gordon again.
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He's being a bit odd,
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but he does apologize for his earlier behavior.
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Now would be a great time to tell the father
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if you ate human or not.
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Yeah.
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Unlocking another memory.
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I believe we actually say to Victor, that's everything.
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And then Victor responds, well now, doctor.
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And then think he cheers us.
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I can only hope you have better luck than the last guy.
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Okay, so Victor is doing something
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that he's not supposed to be doing.
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What's going on?
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Farther along still,
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some laundry unlocks yet another memory.
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Victor is holding up a doctor's coat and says,
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you need one of these, help you blend in.
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Try it on for size.
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So we're not really a doctor.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And we're obviously doing something
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with the help of Victor that someone else has attempted to do,
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but we don't know what.
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I'm really curious how long it took our character
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to get caught.
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Are we ready for scene three?
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Okay, now in the hotel,
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we sneak by some police until the elevator.
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Gordon is starting to look really not good.
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Once we're in the elevator,
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the police take some shots at us,
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but we make it to the second floor.
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However, the gunfire has caused the gate to be stuck,
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so we can't get out.
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And then someone calls the elevator back down.
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The door's open to fog.
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I think it's some sort of gas
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because some of us start coughing.
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And soon a masked man appears,
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but he's attacked and then another guy's attacked
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and shoved up against the elevator gate by a one to go.
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We hit the button as fast as we can.
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I hit the basement.
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Ted's not happy about it.
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He's pissed off that I sent us to the basement
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because that's where the police were.
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The door's open.
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There are police there,
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but then Gordon freaks out and just demolishes them.
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Okay, so I think safe to say we're a one to go.
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I can't believe Ted didn't say anything about like,
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ah, that's what I was expecting.
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That's what I learned about.
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Yeah.
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But also-
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He was like, I have to keep an eye on you,
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but he didn't do anything else.
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Exactly.
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So question is, if Gordon is a one to go,
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he had to eat some human flesh.
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So who did he eat?
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I think it was the cockroach.
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Really?
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You think a cockroach is enough to turn him?
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I don't think it was actually a cockroach
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because I played this twice
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and I ate the cockroach the second time.
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And that time I turned into a one to go.
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Oh.
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What the cockroach is, a toe, a finger, who's it from?
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I don't know.
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Is that what was thrown through the window?
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Which makes a great point
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because the cockroaches could just be a hallucination.
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We see them crawling all up the wall
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and so we know there isn't that many cockroaches.
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So whatever he was holding, okay, that makes sense.
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Also, I can't believe I'm talking about cannibalism
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so casually.
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I also liked that he ate it and was like,
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oh, it's delicious.
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It's even worse now.
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Yeah, no, no.
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It's bad enough when we thought it was a cockroach.
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Ugh.
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Okay.
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Anyway.
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Where did he get that, quote unquote,
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cockroach from?
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Where'd it come from?
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It's Abe.
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Did he cut our toe off?
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Did he cut his toe off?
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Does it count as cannibalism
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if you're eating your own body parts?
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I feel like that's doubling down.
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That's like. Yeah.
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It's not a question I wanna talk about.
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Yeah.
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What about people who drink their own pee?
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Okay, okay.
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We're moving on. We gotta end the conversation here.
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Okay.
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So Gordon is still somewhat normal
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and yells at us in a weird double voice
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to get out of there.
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We don't hesitate.
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We hit the button for the second floor,
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but it stopped at the first floor.
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Victor's dead.
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After seeing that, we continue on to the second floor.
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We're at the cable car station for the hotel.
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We see another memory of Victor saying.
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Nice to know that all are welcome.
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Even hot shit report notes.
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Not a word of me in your story, or there's no deal.
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Questions answered.
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Yes.
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The way Victor phrased it in the beginning,
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saying that hopefully you're gonna be better off
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than the previous guys.
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How many people have heard of this and have come here
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to learn about it and reached out to Victor for help?
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Which is now giving me a lot of whistleblower vibes.
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And so another connection between Supermassive Games
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and Red Barrels.
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Yes, I have follow-ups to both of that.
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So there's that news article about a reporter
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that was assaulted.
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Obviously that's not us, because we're still here.
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There's no news.
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So I think the other guy that he mentions
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is that person that was assaulted.
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We come in, we pretend to be a doctor with Victor's help.
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We talk to Billy Bates or poke in our nose around
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for who knows how long.
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And then if you remember that flashback,
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the clipboard one where we hold a clipboard,
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and Victoria walks up saying, hey doctor,
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and then goes, uh, Abe?
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She realizes that she doesn't know who we are.
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And then that's when we go and hide in the closet.
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And so then she and Abe are looking for us.
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Abe finds us in the closet, and that's that memory
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that we were seeing at the beginning of the game.
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And then we get put into treatment to erase our memory.
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So that we can't whistleblow.
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Okay, so I was partially correct in thinking
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that we're constantly getting fed something
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to repress our memories.
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And the reason why is because we saw something
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we shouldn't have seen.
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And that's why Gordon's kept in the same room as us
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to make sure we don't remember.
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Okay, that makes sense.
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The Outlast connection.
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My note is this game is so Outlast adjacent.
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We may as well be miles up sure.
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And this should have just been another Outlast game
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or a crossover.
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Like it's so similar.
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So then Ted insists that he stay behind
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to operate the cable car.
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We try to do it for him, but he says no.
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So then I guess we, David and Suzanne are just free.
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We get in the cable car and he sends it down.
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I don't understand why the father wants to stay behind.
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He knows he's gonna die, right?
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I think he's just a good guy.
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Well, I don't understand why he didn't go with them
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to spread knowledge among the people saying,
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like, this is a bad place.
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Like he could have done something proactive.
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Maybe he just assumes no one will listen,
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but probably he wasn't fully thinking it through
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in that situation either.
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But Ted's cool.
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Yeah.
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What a guy.
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We're now being interrogated by a cop
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who is bent on covering up the killing of innocents
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at the sanatorium.
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We refuse to play along and then we're condemned
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to being sent back to Blackwood sanatorium.
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We come to an iPad cell where we hallucinate,
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I think, the Machu Picchu.
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Machu Picchu.
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It looks like him, right?
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There's like this spiky things on him.
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It does, but like how did he get there?
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Just the spirit maybe.
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Who's he?
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Wait, us or the Wendigo?
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The Machu Picchu guy.
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God, what a, I don't even know how to spell it.
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I don't know how to spell it.
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The Machu Picchu.
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The Machu Picchu.
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The Machu Picchu, like I get he's a spirit,
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but for us as the player, for the main character,
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they must have been starving and that's why they see him
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or is it that, do you think we've already eaten flesh
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and that's why we see him?
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Yeah, that's what this game is leading me to believe
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is that just being hungry on Blackwood Mountain
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attracts the spirit of the Wendigo.
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So you don't even need to be a human flesh-eating person.
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I think it might even help you hallucinate in ways
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that it tries to convince you to eat human flesh,
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like maybe the spirit of the Wendigo
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made it look like a cockroach.
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Also more issues with this game.
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So in the playthrough where you become a Wendigo,
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instead of getting the police interrogation
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after credit scene, we're the one chasing Hannah and Beth
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from the prologue, which is cool.
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And I loved seeing that as a fan of the game,
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but it kind of ruins the whole events from the past video
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where a flamethrower guy is talking about tracking
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the Machu Picchu as it was stalking Hannah and Beth
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because unless the spirit went into us in that moment,
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which I guess you could say that,
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but it seems like he'd been tracking it for a long time.
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So that kind of confuses that, makes that a bit muddier.
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But overall, I feel like this game is fun.
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I don't love VR, but despite the controls
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and the motion sickness, I think it's a good game.
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I think it's a fun game and it adds a lot
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to the Until Dawn lore.
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Back to your theory about the Machu Picchu thing.
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I don't know.
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I feel like that's a great way
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to tie this prequel game into Until Dawn.
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I wished our ending was that we were able
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to disclose it.
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I'm curious what would happen
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if you told the police officer that,
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oh, I'll comply with you, it's not getting out,
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and then still release it.
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I'd be curious too.
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I haven't seen that, but just based off of Until Dawn,
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it seems like it doesn't ever get out.
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So I guess my burning question in the end
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is that we know he's there and he has memories.
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I'm wondering how much he would retain in that memory
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if he did become a Wendigo.
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We knew that Hannah was able to just because of sheer hate
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for what happened to her.
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That's another note I had is how we were able
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to survive with the Wendigos.
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And I thought back to Hannah recognizing people
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and having some sort of memory.
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And I was wondering if maybe the Wendigos
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remember our character and knew he was trying to help
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and that he was a reporter.
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So maybe they're letting him live on purpose.
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Okay, and then another question we had at some point
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was about timeline.
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And we're not gonna get super into it
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in terms of this game, but more like,
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how long does it take to become a Wendigo?
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That was something I know we were a little hung up on.
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So I went back to Until Dawn and looked at Hannah's notebook.
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And on day 30, she mentions eating Beth.
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On day 33, she's still writing sensically,
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still seems pretty human, but mentions feeling different.
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And then on day 35, she just writes hungry.
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So I think it takes at least five days.
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I mean, she was still writing at that point.
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So I think she's close to being full Wendigo, but not quite.
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We can assume it takes at least five days
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to become a Wendigo.
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I don't know if that helps you at all with anything.
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I think it does because it shows how small of a timeframe
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they had from when they brought the miners
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into when everything happens.
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My question is how long has their main character
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stayed there?
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Because it's like January to February.
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So that's like around a month-ish.
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The timeline still feels sloppy.
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And maybe whatever they were doing to the miners
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like slowed down the transformation.
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I don't know, but it seems like it went on for a long time.
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A surprisingly long time.
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My last little afterthought is honestly,
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not enough Wendigo in this game.
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There's so many good opportunities to scare me
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with a Wendigo in VR.
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And I only saw one Wendigo the whole time.
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We didn't see that much.
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We saw so many until dawn.
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And I feel like it's a missed opportunity
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because we only get a small glimpse of it
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and we don't even learn about the Machu Picchu.
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So that would have been a great time
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in this game to expand on it.
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What would have been cool as I'm saying this
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is if the father had the original journal
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that later the stranger got,
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that the father was the one
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who's been adding more notes to it.
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That would be cool.
00:23:42
That would have been cool.
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Yeah.
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But yeah, just not enough Wendigo.
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If you're gonna make a VR horror game about Wendigo,
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have a few, right?
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That was my biggest disappointment, I think.
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Anything else or should we move on to KFC?
00:24:01
No, let's do KFCs.
00:24:05
So I don't know if you wanna guess who my KFC is
00:24:08
or I should just tell you.
00:24:10
There's not a lot to choose from.
00:24:12
Father Mosley.
00:24:13
Yes.
00:24:14
Yes.
00:24:15
I just, I kinda liked his relaxed demeanor.
00:24:18
He's very logical and he doesn't panic too much.
00:24:23
I like him.
00:24:24
He did nothing wrong the whole time.
00:24:25
He tried to help everybody.
00:24:27
He sacrificed himself to send us down the mountain.
00:24:30
He tried to warn about the Wendigos.
00:24:32
He did nothing wrong.
00:24:33
Exactly.
00:24:35
Post-game Kentucky Scorcher.
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This is a bit difficult for me.
00:24:41
We don't get a lot of good closeups
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and so if you ask me to recognize from a lineup
00:24:46
who I'm about to say, I won't be able to tell you
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and that person is David.
00:24:50
I can't tell you what he looks like.
00:24:52
I can't remember it right now
00:24:53
even though I just saw him 30 minutes ago.
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Yeah, okay.
00:24:59
That pooter reindeer.
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The notes he left me.
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I chose five.
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I chose Abe, David, Father Mosley,
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the cop that interrogated us,
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Victor Milgram and Gordon.
00:25:14
So here's your notes.
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First of all, you said is number five,
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that's Victor your favorite.
00:25:19
Why is this image so big?
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That's the first thing you notice.
00:25:26
And then you said, so we got number one, Abe,
00:25:30
a dude who's probably going undercover as a waiter
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and also wears glasses.
00:25:34
So I take back my previous comment
00:25:36
about not enough characters wearing glasses.
00:25:39
That was maybe Chris from Until Dawn,
00:25:41
that's why he chose him.
00:25:43
It's so funny because I referenced him as the waiter
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in my notes for part one quite frequently.
00:25:50
Number two, David, you said a dude with a flashlight
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shining on his face.
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That's all you said.
00:25:57
Three, Father Mosley, a priest with gold chains?
00:26:01
Question mark.
00:26:03
Four, that's the cop, a TSA looking police agent
00:26:06
interrogating someone pretending to be intimidating
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but he's not.
00:26:10
Five is Victor Milgram, you said.
00:26:15
What did I say?
00:26:16
Good God.
00:26:17
A nephew of Mr. Miyagi who went down the path
00:26:21
of being a rebel and a criminal.
00:26:24
I didn't know what this game was gonna be about and.
00:26:27
Clearly not, you kept calling it the Impatient.
00:26:31
I know.
00:26:32
The Impatient.
00:26:33
I know, it took me until watching an hour of this game
00:26:37
and for you to tell me.
00:26:39
In other words, I would have kept calling it Impatient
00:26:41
and I was waiting to see why someone was so impatient
00:26:44
and I don't understand why I kept reading the N as an M.
00:26:47
So confused.
00:26:49
And then number six, that's Gordon,
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the dude from Walking Dead.
00:26:54
I assume you mean they're the main guy.
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And then you said, this one's tough.
00:26:59
I'll choose number two.
00:27:01
This is number two?
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First ever.
00:27:04
First time ever.
00:27:06
Even though I think he's a bad guy.
00:27:10
Honestly, I think all these characters might be dead
00:27:12
by the end of the game.
00:27:14
Who chose the non-dead one?
00:27:16
Not bad this time, Kathy.
00:27:18
Yay, first time ever in two seasons.
00:27:21
Which I think so.
00:27:22
We haven't done this a lot.
00:27:23
But in all the games though,
00:27:24
this is feeling pretty proud of myself right now.
00:27:28
Thankfully there's no stats for you to guess.
00:27:30
So you have no chance of falling on your face
00:27:34
at the end of this episode.
00:27:37
Yeah, I did think that one of the stats
00:27:40
were gonna be about how many dead bodies we see.
00:27:42
It was way too hard to look at this video to track stuff.
00:27:45
I was like, there's no way.
00:27:47
There's no way.
00:27:50
Well.
00:27:51
With that, you won't hear from us
00:27:53
until the start of the new year.
00:27:55
So have a great new year as well.
00:27:57
Season wrap up comes out, not tomorrow, but next Thursday.
00:28:02
And we'll close out the season.
00:28:04
Those episodes are always fun.
00:28:05
I'm excited.
00:28:06
Me too.
00:28:08
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00:28:31
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